23-04-2002 10:49									#1
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Overall, my favorite is Get Smart. There are literally no bad episodes. I could watch only that and nothing else. Three's Company is good too.

	23-04-2002 10:59									#2
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First Monday
Family Guy
Boston Public
Simpsons
That 70s Show
Fraiser

And in the day, nothing could top Seinfeld

	23-04-2002 11:07									#3
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For comedy... The simpsons and Seinfeld are at the top.

For Drama... Hill Steet Blues was a ground breaker

For SF... Babalyon 5... none better, but Farscape is second.

	23-04-2002 11:14									#4
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Simpsons (warts and all)
Family Guy
Malcom in the Middle
Hogan's Heros
Fraisier
And yes, in it's day, nothing could top Seinfeld

	23-04-2002 11:18									#5
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Simpsons
Malcolm in the Middle
Boston Public (NOT as a drama, but a comedy)
Queer as Folk
Greg the Bunny (the show with Eugene Levy and Seth Greene - I find it just hilarious)

Out of all of them, The Simpsons rules.

	23-04-2002 11:20									#6
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quote: Boston Public (NOT as a drama, but a comedy)

quote: Greg the Bunny (the show with Eugene Levy and Seth Greene - I find it just hilarious)

It's crap. Totally and utter crap.

	23-04-2002 11:21									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Boston Public (NOT as a drama, but a comedy)

Don't tell me you treat it was a drama, at all?

quote: quote: Greg the Bunny (the show with Eugene Levy and Seth Greene - I find it just hilarious) It's crap. Totally and utter crap.

Best new show I've seen in years.

The off-beat humor with muppets is perfect. Just perfect.

My favorite is Tardy (which looks remarkably like Kermit)

	23-04-2002 11:24									#8
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The Bachelor
Jerry Springer's
Oprah

	23-04-2002 11:24									#9
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Simpsons, Cheers, Family Guy, Night Court (that's an oldie- but goodie). I forgot Seinfeld.

edit: maybe I should include Star Trek . Nah ST sucks . Tos and TNG are the only ones I could nominate.

	23-04-2002 11:26									#10
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quote: Don't tell me you treat it was a drama, at all?

It is a drama, and a damned good one. Nominated for all sorts of awards.

quote: Best new show I've seen in years. The off-beat humor with muppets is perfect. Just perfect.

Biggest waste of space on tv since the Chevy Chase Show was canceled. Hopefully they'll kill the bunny show very soon as well.

	23-04-2002 11:28									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui It is a drama, and a damned good one. Nominated for all sorts of awards.

It's a hilariously bad preachy show that caves to public letter-writing campaigns about controversial topics. It's a comedy, and it's good at being a comedy, but much of the stuff that's hilarious they think is drama. Like the Drama Queen Principle's daughter, lol...

quote: Biggest waste of space on tv since the Chevy Chase Show was canceled. Hopefully they'll kill the bunny show very soon as well.

You've got a pathetic sense of humor, then.
It's wonderful.
Off-the-wall, spontaneous, not based in reality -- what's not to like?

Ohh!

I forgot to mention SCRUBS.

	23-04-2002 11:38									#12
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quote: It's a hilariously bad preachy show that caves to public letter-writing campaigns about controversial topics.

I admit at times it is preachy, but it is a very good show with great acting and some really good stories.

quote: Like the Drama Queen Principle's daughter

I liked the Principal butting heads with her daughter. That was good, balancing her being his daughter and student.

quote: It's wonderful. Off-the-wall, spontaneous, not based in reality -- what's not to like?

Um... it's not funny, for starters! It's totally retarded, and most people I've talked to would pass on it in a flash.

quote: I forgot to mention SCRUBS.

About to be cancelled... just isn't that good. It's ok, but that doesn't cut it on an NBC Thursday night slot.

	23-04-2002 11:40									#13
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We have very conflicting tastes.
First Monday I literally fell asleep through (this does not happen often).

Boston Public is quite simply a show about drama queens and about a ****ed up school, and for that reason it is only a comedy.

Scrubs is on wednesdays here, not Thursdays, and I loved it. In the same vein as Greg the Bunny, it was filled with sarcastic humor at character's expenses (often themselves), and all-around very witty.

That's incredibly rare in modern shows because Joe American thinks more like you than me.

	23-04-2002 11:44									#14
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quote: First Monday I literally fell asleep through

The best show I've seen in years. It might be my all time favorite show. The one on gun control tonight was great .

quote: Boston Public is quite simply a show about drama queens and about a ****ed up school

Which, Mr. Canuck is very typical of American High Schools .

quote: it was filled with sarcastic humor at character's expenses (often themselves), and all-around very witty.

Seinfeld did that right, Greg the Bunny and Scrubs just don't hold a candle to them.

	23-04-2002 11:45									#15
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Futurama
Simpsons
Family Guy
Combat Missions (it's finished though)
WWF Smackdown!
...
And Get Smart (I forgot about that show!)

Maxwell Smart is the shi-zaow!

"Missed it by That much"

	23-04-2002 11:46									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Which, Mr. Canuck is very typical of American High Schools .

Have you forgotten that I've spent four years in the American school system? It's nowhere near as bad as that.

And what's with the constant singing? That's just ASKING to be laughed at.

And teachers still being at school at like 9pm each night? I don't know if this is suble or intentional humor, but it's great.

quote: Seinfeld did that right, Greg the Bunny and Scrubs just don't hold a candle to them.

Seinfeld was good, but still a different type of humor.

Seinfeld was successful because it catered to most tastes. Greg the Bunny and Scrubs are more absurd, which caters a lot to my taste, and not too much to yours. That's all. For the same reason, I find Boston Public pretty funny, but you can't see humor in it. It appears I just have a better sense of humor, being Canadian and all, as opposed to your inferior American sense of humor.

	23-04-2002 11:49									#17
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quote: Have you forgotten that I've spent four years in the American school system?

And seemingly learned little

quote: And what's with the constant singing? That's just ASKING to be laughed at.

What is to laugh about that ?

Something they like to do.

quote: And teachers still being at school at like 9pm each night?

You've never known inner city principals have you? Plenty of them put in extremely late hours.

quote: Seinfeld was successful because it catered to most tastes.

Tell that to NBC the first few years it was on .

quote: Greg the Bunny and Scrubs are more absurd, which caters a lot to my taste, and not too much to yours.

I like absurd when done right... ie, Monty Python.

quote: I find Boston Public pretty funny, but you can't see humor in it. It appears I just have a better sense of humor, being Canadian and all, as opposed to your inferior American sense of humor.

Or rather, you just don't get it and laugh to make yourself feel better .

There are some intentionally funny parts to it, but it is mostly a cut and dried drama.

First Monday has some really lines. Just a great show... it's my must watch .

	23-04-2002 11:50									#18
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Boston Public rules!!! I should include that one. But I also liked Picket Fences. That was supposedly a drama, but I watched more for the comedy. Frank the potato man. Nearly every mayor of that town was killed.- Hilarious. Both shows made by the same guy BTW.

I like scrubs too. I love that cranky doctor (cant' remember name).

	23-04-2002 11:53									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And seemingly learned little

The American education system is completely and utterly inferior to the Canadian system. I had a 108% in 8th grade Science there. What the f*ck? I didn't even do homework.
For every 5 questions you answered, there was a bonus question...

quote: Tell that to NBC the first few years it was on .

The first seasons were pretty bad.

quote: I like absurd when done right... ie, Monty Python.

I'm not a big fan of Monty Python, I find it to be over the top and canned a lot of the time. And the accents drive me crazy.

quote: Or rather, you just don't get it and laugh to make yourself feel better . There are some intentionally funny parts to it, but it is mostly a cut and dried drama.

I don't get it?
Imran, it has the most BASIC PLOTS and plot devices in the world. It's the most contrived dialog and plot sequences an ape in a cage could figure it out. What's more, is the writers can't even stay to a few stories, they constantly juggle about 10 stories per episode and carry them on for a few and then we never hear from them again (what happened to Jeremy and the hook-lady, for example?). The show is so poorly done as a drama that it can only be seriously seen as a comedy. Perhaps you're just not looking hard enough.

	23-04-2002 11:58									#20
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quote: The American education system is completely and utterly inferior to the Canadian system.

And that means what? You obviously didn't learn much about American High Schools. I find BP very accurate (as a fictional show can be).

quote: The first seasons were pretty bad.

Naw... they were decent.

quote: I'm not a big fan of Monty Python, I find it to be over the top and canned a lot of the time. And the accents drive me crazy.

That is the fun part... over the top... and the accents rock .

quote: Imran, it has the most BASIC PLOTS and plot devices in the world. It's the most contrived dialog and plot sequences an ape in a cage could figure it out. What's more, is the writers can't even stay to a few stories, they constantly juggle about 10 stories per episode and carry them on for a few and then we never hear from them again (what happened to Jeremy and the hook-lady, for example?).

And which drama DOESN'T have basic plots and plot devices wrapped in new clothing? It is the way that plot devices are presented and the context which makes for good drama.

The fact that the writers juggle stories is a GOOD thing! It shows you a vast cross section, and doesn't just make it a show about one or two people. I love that! People come in and bow out. Very nice.

One of the better shows on televisions (and nominated for awards). Really, Asher, you are the first person I've ever known who did not like that show (by saying you say it is a comedy means you don't like it, since it is marketed and meant as a drama).

	23-04-2002 12:02									#21
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BP was good in the first season, and as typical of David E. Kelly's shows he loses control and spins it off in so many directions that it begins to disorient the fans.

Look at the nielsen ratings, Boston Public is steadily declining. More people are agreeing that it's getting outrageous, and they're already recycling plot lines (how many Student->Teacher "relations" can we have per season?!) and dropping any plot lines that had HOPE for being good simply because they were controversial (did you hear of the letter-writing campaigns that got Jeremy dropped from the show?).

I simply don't have much respect at all for the show as a drama. The acting can be really really good at times, but the drama I've seen in it was simply overblown, and I've always found that to be funny.

Anyway, that's all I'm saying on BP. Continue your other rants.

	23-04-2002 12:03									#22
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did they really drop Jeremy?

What other things did the letter writing influence? That is terrible. WTF is up with that. How can the writers let themselves be influenced by the stupid public. The public doesn't know what the hell it wants. DEK needs to go back to writing the show.

Basically I feel any person who wites a tv show is a whacko and their opinion is useless . Who listens to those crazies?

	23-04-2002 12:04									#23
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Ed is my favorite.

	23-04-2002 12:06									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident did they really drop Jeremy? What other things did the letter writing influence? That is terrible. WTF is up with that. How can the writers let themselves be influenced by the stupid public. The public doesn't know what the hell it wants. DEK needs to go back to writing the show. Basically I feel any person who wites a tv show is a whacko and their opinion is useless . Who listens to those crazies?

Yeah, ratings began to wane heavily because many rednecks in the States hated how it tried to portray a gay boy as human, and the gay activists were up in arms because it protrayed a gay boy as screwed up. So their solution was to simply drop him from his show, and then his mother a few episodes later. Haven't you noticed they haven't been on for months, when they were a focal point of previous episodes?

	23-04-2002 12:09									#25
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quote: I simply don't have much respect at all for the show as a drama. The acting can be really really good at times, but the drama I've seen in it was simply overblown, and I've always found that to be funny.

So you've said... it's mostly a drama with some comedy in it.. but you can't respect the drama, but a lot of people still do.

Oh, and the Jeremy thing ran its course... what else were they going to do with him? Though he might be back later.


But, ok.. I'll move on.

Let's talk about how awesome First Monday is then .

I haven't seen West Wing in a while (Wednesdays are usually bad for me), but I liked it when I saw it.

	23-04-2002 12:10									#26
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quote: Haven't you noticed they haven't been on for months, when they were a focal point of previous episodes?

They do that to their characters. The head of the history department was almost non-existant for the first few shows of this season, making me wonder if she was dropped.

	23-04-2002 12:13									#27
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they haven't had many new episodes the last few months. I figured they would be back. How can they just drop them like that? The mother was working for the school after all... No big whooop. I didn't like the transition from last season to this season. I could have swore Jeremy was a senior last year. And then they never resolved the fact that Jeremy got caught in a lie when he said how his mothers hand was chopped off. I thought something would come of that.

They did screw things up a bit from the end of last season into this season though. There is no denying that. But at least they could have cleaned up the characters and resolved their storylines. Bastards.

and I haven't seen First Monday. I'm starting to get bored of West Wing for some reason. but I still try to watch it.

	23-04-2002 12:15									#28
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Judging Amy gets more ratings than Boston Public these days.

	23-04-2002 12:19									#29
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Judging Amy is a quality show.