24-04-2002 06:33									#1
	Demand Terraforming!! Ai Bug???? Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

HAS ANYONE ELSE CONFIRMED THIS???

I have v1.31 and only play impossible. But every time i meet another civ, i immediately check to see if they have terraforming, (i.e. from Chugg the administrator, who appears in the early game.). AND EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY GAVE IT TO ME.

Now they may have declared war on me 5 turns later, but they always ended up giving me whats worth 1500 rp for nothing.

And since i play aquatic, there's my Gaia transformation (woo -hoo!)



Plz try this and confirm it 4 yourself.

I tried doing the same thing with autolab, but alas they weren't generous

	24-04-2002 20:05									#2
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

What do you mean by give it to you? I have never had any AI give me anything on any difficulty setting or patch level.

	25-04-2002 03:43									#3
	Demand terraforming!! Tired of ads?

Oops.. i thought the title was self-explanatory. What i mean is, when u click on th races button on the galaxy map, you then click on the each particular race u meet in the game. The choices given are: propose treaty, declare war, offer gift, etc. You then click on the word "demand" and you can then demand a system or technology. More than half the time you do this they will probably declare war on you, but I noticed that EVERY SINGLE TIME I DEMANDED TERRAFORMING, they gave it to me.

I was wondering if anyone else noticed this.

	25-04-2002 04:36									#4
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Ok, yeah I like to demand 5% at first and then later a system. I guess I thought you meant spontaniously they gave you something. They give stuff for bribes to stop wars or prevent them. I was confused with Starships were you will have AI give stuff unsolicited.

	04-05-2002 22:35									#5
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Just for the record, and to help out other players I noticed that you can usually get away with demanding planetary supercomputer, cloning center, battlestation, and fighter garrison. With these its about 60/40 they wont declare war on you.

	17-05-2002 00:33									#6
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That declares why all the AI's always have it! They know the same thing like you and demand it from the one who gets it via the Leader...

	22-05-2002 13:29									#7
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

I've noticed AIs getting dimensional portals at stupidly early points in the game as well. It's very odd.
Has anyone ever rescued/hired the planetary ecologist leader who looks like a fat slug? He brings terraforming with him, and if you do hire him early in the game he'll give you a big boost - but he completely flours up any techsharing, because whatever tech you ask for, the AI will demand terraforming in exchange. Grr.

	22-05-2002 13:53									#8
	Inflate your Upload Space

SMAC: Give it to them. Trade that forming around for as much as you can get. Build ships while they waste prod forming their planets and take them over when they're done.

I love trading terraforming. In fact I always give it away if I can't trade it.

	23-05-2002 22:43									#9
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

I have gotten him, but on hard level I do not trade. I just go to war. At impossible level, then I will trade, no weapons or defenses though, unless it is obsolete.

	23-05-2002 23:02									#10
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Trade away your guns too! It's not as if the AI can build ships worth spit anyway. The only thing you should keep to yourself are spying techs, Autolab (if gotten very early) and planetary shileds/ground defenses. All else is useless to the AI, because they can't really us it anyway. Oh yeah, avoid trading good computers too.

	24-05-2002 03:14									#11
	Increase Your PM Length

yeah, basically anything osolete is a possible canidate. I just don't bother.

	10-07-2002 00:23									#12
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If I get terraforming, I trade it to everyone I can talk to, immediately. I'll even trade it for Reinforced Hull or ridiculous crap like that. I'll take anything they have for it, since if I don't trade it to everyone all at once, they'll trade it to each other anyway. Might as well be me that profits by it.

Why give them terraforming? As mentioned by Moom, why the hell not? They'll do all the work for you! By the time they've upgraded that tundra iceball into a place worth calling "home", my troops are arriving to dispute that.

	12-07-2002 19:55									#13
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I play impossible, and it never seems that the AI ever uses terraforming. And, again on impossible, i can usually demand any one tech from a race, and if i'm on good terms with them, any two. In a recent game, i was trying to get someone to declare war on me, and i kept demanding systems, and they gave them to me. In the end, i just had to use the old fashioned declare option, must to my disgrace (i'm a pacifist, really).

	12-07-2002 22:23									#14
	Inflate your Upload Space

Demanding things from the AI is almost unfair. I played tons of gmes on impossible at all map sizes. By the time you are able to demand, the game as turn to where you have the upper hand anyway. Stealing from the AI is fair game, but demanding is too easy.

	12-07-2002 23:08									#15
	Increase the size of your Attachments

the funny thing is, i was second from the bottom on the tech tree. The AI had the capability to send one of their 3x amount of command points available fleets at any time.

	12-07-2002 23:31									#16
	Support Apolyton

That is why it is unfair. The AI is dumb. It looks at how many ships you have and compares it to its own. If you have empty hulls that is good enough. You can demand with very little. Many consider it as a form of cheating. I do not do it myself, other than to deman they stop spying. I like to go with repulsive so I can not even talk to them, only declare war.

	12-07-2002 23:38									#17
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Does it matter what class of ship it is?

	13-07-2002 00:52									#18
	Put an end to popups!

Yes.
I was wondering at what point in the game you are making these demands? My experience at impossible is that I can not deman anything in the early part of the game, even when not repulsive. That means turn 200 or so or earlier. By the time I am on the move (non tele) after say turn 250 or so, then I have enough to get respect. I am not to sure that I could demand much other than tech though. At Hard level, I can with just two good battleships. If I refit them soon I can demand tribute and most will go along. At the same stage in an impossible game they declare war if I try that. This is version 1.31 that is, v1.2 is another story altogether.

Last edited by vmxa1 on 13-07-2002 at 02:43

	13-07-2002 02:29									#19
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Well, i usually start at advanced, and tend to keep around three battleships operational. As to the version, i have the latest mac version, whatever that is.

	13-07-2002 02:58									#20
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Ok, I can not address the Mac version, I know that there are some differences, but not what they are.