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Liberal and defender of freedoms for the people
Oct 1999
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Originally posted by Stefu
Here are some other LePenista positions:
o Outlaw abortion and end official recognition of same-sex unions. |
Not much to argue with here.
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o Develop programs to increase the birth rate and pay benefits to women who stay at home with their children. |
Increasing the birth rate - necessary since Europe will have a great problem with paying for pensions in decades to come.
Encouraging mothers to stay at home - a good thing, since a lot of the problems we see in society nowadays are due to children not being properly cared for.
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o End legal immigration. |
If that is what the French want, it is their land, no-one else's to dominate over them and tell them that they must accept people who won't assimilate and who will create yet more crime.
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o Deport illegal immigrants and eliminate dual nationality. |
Again, not much to argue with here. A fair policy.
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o Give French citizens priority for all jobs and public housing; create a separate medical benefits system for foreigners working in France, so that French tax money would not be used for foreigners' care. |
Have you not heard of Health Care Tourism? Where a foreigner in need of health care goes to a more advanced country with a "free" health system? This pushes up costs by treating people who pay no tax. It's only fair that those who pay should get preferential treatment.
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o Allow only French citizens to teach in French schools. |
This is a very minor policy of Le Pen's. I doubt he'll stick to this one.
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o Reinstitute morality classes; require student participation in patriotic events and holidays. |
Anyone reminded of the US in this sentence? 
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o Outlaw the wearing of yarmulkes and Muslim headscarves in schools. |
Oh well. Yesterday I was playing football on the university's astrotuf and got caught by the bracelet of an opposition footballer. A couple of mintues later I approached him and asked him that he might want to remove, but he said it was a "religious symbol".  These things have no place.
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o Create 200,000 new prison beds. |
He said he will fight crime, and obviously he is expecting to catch more criminals than his predecessors. A natural policy.
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o Expand and give new rights to the police force. |
To help fight crime.
All in all, you didn't argue that any of those points you listed were bad, you are just operating from a liberal mentality where we can't target a certain group for crime because a few of them might feel offended or think it s racist.
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Spiffor
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:19
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It's obvioulsy xenophobic to think that immigrants create more crime than others. The archetype of the criminal is currently in France the young arabic living in a poor suburbs (in France, suburbs are poorer than downtowns). But, these Arabs are as French as anybody else : they were born in France, learned in France, and live in France since. Even if they're from a foreign ascent, it does not mean they're less French than others. Proof is, the "racaille" phenomenon is typically French, and delinquence in other European countries doen't take this form.
Considering an Arab has more chances to be a criminal than a white man, and orienting his inquiries mostly against him is clearly racist. The cops do this already, but Le Pen wantto make this racism clearly legal. So much for the "country of rights of Man".
About forbidding abortion : I can't imagine it is possible to agree with this. It's shocking to imagine how backwards it is for women not to have access to abortion. 2 of my best female friends aborted once, because they were careless once, and it would have ruined their studies, their future (don't tell me about their future as a family mother : one got dumped, and the other will be soon).
Same thing for encouraging women to return home : why women and not men ? Because the woman's dependence to the wage-bringing man is deeply rooted in our societies, and all the progress in women's independance which were made since 50 years is hated by people like Le Pen.
But I sniff a threadjack, so I'll stop here.
About a separate welfare system for foreigners and French, it's utterly absurd : most foreigners come in France to find a better paid job than in their country. It's normal that people who work hard, and do the jobs original French don't want to do (janitors, masons) have a use of the system. As the immigrant labour is much less educated than the French one, they of course have much less paid jobs. A separate welfare system would mean a far worse welfare system for the immigrants, even those who work hard.
I'm sorry, as someone who likes human dignity, I think that everything in Le Pen's program (and thus everything you agreed with) is terrible. It's absolutely against the human dignity, absolutely against the principles France is proud of.
About double nationality : it's a great thing we have this in France. They barely have this in Germany, but it evolves in a good way. Remove it is a great leap backwards (my own brother is double-national with the US. Because of this, he could enrich his French culture with the US work methods).
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Guynemer
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Feeling lonely, Spinky? No one feeding the poor widdle trolly-troll?
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Bereta_Eder
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In the really impossible event that Le Pen wins, he would comform...
Many so called "revolutionaries" in the left or the right comform when they get to power...
Not that he will be good for France or that he will not do damage
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Adalbertus
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Cologne, Germany
Feb 2001
time: 06:19
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I don't mind if Le Pen leaves the EU if he wins the election. He's even welcome to do so when he looses.
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Encouraging mothers to stay at home - a good thing, since a lot of the problems we see in society nowadays are due to children not being properly cared for. |
Disagree. My parents both were working, and to me it didn't do any damage. damage. damage. damage. damage.
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o Give French citizens priority for all jobs and public housing; create a separate medical benefits system for foreigners working in France, so that French tax money would not be used for foreigners' care. |
Have you not heard of Health Care Tourism? Where a foreigner in need of health care goes to a more advanced country with a "free" health system? This pushes up costs by treating people who pay no tax. It's only fair that those who pay should get preferential treatment.
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Foreigners working and living in a country normally have to pay taxes in that country. I have to pay in France, and the situation is similar in Germany. I doubt it would be different somewhere else. Given this fact, it is extremely unfair to make people (foreigners) paying for a service they cannot obtain in the case they need it.
Solver, I understand your worries, but I seriously hope that Europe has learned something in WWII. In most countries people do protest when extremist movements come dangerously close to power. (Specifically for France, I've read in a newspaper that on monday the socialists, the Jospin party, got more new members than in 2001.)
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Bereta_Eder
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We have a party that it is called "The Hunter's Party" (nothing to do with foreign policy)
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Rogan Josh
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Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
Josh are you in France ? |
Yep. I quite like it actually. It is a hell of a lot nicer than Germany anyway....
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Bereta_Eder
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BTW Imran, when did France leave NATO????
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