25-04-2002 01:43									#1
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Anyone interested in a new weekdays diplogame on European time?
For settings I propose 2x1x Deity, raging.
But I'll play anything nowadays

	25-04-2002 04:23									#2
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I would be up for a 1x1x diplo (any settings) on European times.

	25-04-2002 20:28									#3
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What is a diplogame 1x1x looks pretty normal, and since i'm new in this, it looks ok.

	25-04-2002 20:41									#4
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A diplogame is one where you diplomatically refrain from attacking the 2nd person to post in the thread that sets up the game.

	25-04-2002 20:57									#5
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still not completely clear to me. Does this mean the 2nd person is immune for attacks? And who is second: you or me? I guess just playing one would get me to know what it is all about?

	25-04-2002 23:21									#6
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In the meantime I have read some faq's. Diplogames sound good. see ya all soon

	26-04-2002 02:24									#7
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YES we are going to do that if not the US Sat game is going to be played on a more resonable time.

The game should be 1x1x to be a normal Civ 2 game.

I suggest a Development game instead of a diplo game.
It means you are not allowed to attack any units/cities or use diplos/spies for anything else than etablish embassies. Pillaging is also banned. It's allowed to build move unit inside other players cityradius but you are not allowed to assist them to goto this places by using diplos or caravans.
The winner is the first player reaching future tech 1 alternate reaching Alpa Centauri.

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	26-04-2002 02:29									#8
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The rules for development games says it's forbidden to steal techs,
but tech trading can be allowed or banned. The same applies to if offical alliances are allowed(those alliances have only trading as goal -> tech exchange(if allowed), and by using caravans).

	26-04-2002 02:42									#9
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Whats a game without even the possibility of war? IMHO even the threat of war makes half the game

	26-04-2002 02:49									#10
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I agree, this development game sounds a little dull. I may have misunderstood the rules, but this seems no better than playing an early landing game against the AI.

	26-04-2002 03:01									#11
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Sorry, development only doesn't sound verry appealing.
BTW: is there no way to (greatly) increase the cost of bribing sities instead of totally eliminating this feature?

	26-04-2002 03:04									#12
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The player that is best on max his research speed will win. It's not so easy as it sounds.

war is destructive and therefore banned in development games. The game is not like playing the AI -> you have all negotations with other players(humans players only). You can have trade allainces and so on.
Try it, it's fun!

	26-04-2002 03:37									#13
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I was not turning it down because it looked too easy
War is a pain in the ass, as a have learned well with the hostile AI's. But leaving the option out meanes also leaving some difficult choices to make out. I won't have to built an army I think it takes out some challenges of the game. There are different possibilities to avoid wars This is why I would prefer the diplogame.

	26-04-2002 04:27									#14
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Well said. War, and paradoxically the avoidance of war are both integral to civ.

	26-04-2002 20:16									#15
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So, who do we got sofar?

Anyone got a preference on the map? should we play random or premade?
1x1x Deity sounds fine to me, I would like to allow techstealing/trading and unitbribe.

	26-04-2002 20:35									#16
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I am in. but i prefer to play without barbarians though.

	26-04-2002 21:13									#17
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Let's have the following settings:

1x1x
Deity
small map
large land mass
cool
wet
3 billion years
village only(no barbs except in the huts)
No bribing at all(unit bribe can be very sick, because the bribed unit can move twice in a round).
Techtrade OK but no techstealing.
No wonders.

	26-04-2002 22:46									#18
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OK for me, provided we start soon. I've seen these endless discusions on minor settings, and I hust want to PLAY. So I'll go with winzity's last proposal

	27-04-2002 00:50									#19
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ICQ me so can we start really soon...

	27-04-2002 01:01									#20
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i'll play..

	27-04-2002 01:03									#21
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Is there any pie your finger isn't in Markus?

	27-04-2002 01:04									#22
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Great Markus! It will be fun...

	27-04-2002 06:44									#23
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When is it starting?

Did I miss it in the thread?

	27-04-2002 07:23									#24
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Excellent response! The game will probably be played European evenings though, which will be strange times for Canadians and Aussies.

	27-04-2002 07:27									#25
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We could and should start soon:
We got 7 players
atawa
DrSpike
Germanos
Winzity
Species
Markus
Deity

a bit crowded on a small map? So I propose a medium map when we all join. I don't see why we should leave out the wonders, but if there is serious opposition to them I'll do without.
Starting Saturday evening 20:00 CEST?

	27-04-2002 07:40									#26
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Whoa there!

We need to sort settings/rules and times/days. Settings/rules I don't care about other than 1x1x, so I'll leave whoever does care to discuss it. We do need times everyone can play though, and confirmations from the non-europeans. It'll never be sorted by tomorrow evening. Also, I can't do Saturdays.

I propose same time as Germanos any evening Sunday to Thursday. Let the game of duelling datebooks begin!

	27-04-2002 08:09									#27
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I will start if I got at least 4 players. I will post them here after they confirmed to me on ICQ.

The game will be played with the rules I posted above.

Start time is 11 AM EST US time each Saturday. There is a risk we will be late in the start tomorrow because FF have not confirmed that he got the start time(but he wanted to start early).


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Fluffy Bunny
Markus

	27-04-2002 08:14									#28
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I'm confused.

Is this a different game? Anyway count me out, I can't do that time.

I still want to play in the original Euro time game though.

	27-04-2002 08:24									#29
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Yeah the other saturday game is delayed at least, dead at worst.

Hey at 11 EST at least the sun is up in europe, better than most games around here.

Anyway Im in for tomarrow morining

	27-04-2002 08:29									#30
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike I'm confused. Is this a different game? Anyway count me out, I can't do that time. I still want to play in the original Euro time game though.

LOL Which games are orginal and which ones are not?