01-05-2002 16:46									#62
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I'd vote for the Trotskyite.
Happy May Day.

	01-05-2002 19:11									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Le Pen is like the reincarnation of Hitler. It doesn't matter who Laguiller is, he gets my vote.

He is a she

Yeah, it's May 1st isn't it. Splendid.

I am pro-EU, probably in some hope that it will form stronger links between the working classes of different company. I know and understand people's concern about the bureaucracy, but in my eyes, I have no preference for the member states sovereignties over there being an EU superstate. They are all working in their own interests.

	01-05-2002 21:25									#64
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quote: Originally posted by axi No offense, Ned, but I have been wondering about you, do you have any relations with Israel? Aren't you American? Are you jewish?

Axi, American, but Catholic. I am also a Republican. You will find a large number of Americans strongly pro-Israel, whether Democrat or Republican, Christian or Atheist. They do not have to be Jewish.

Ned

	01-05-2002 21:27									#65
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I heard there were events in London, Berlin, Sydney even Ramallah! There was a MayDay demo in Ramallah! These Palestinians surely have guts!

	01-05-2002 23:34									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison He is a she Yeah, it's May 1st isn't it. Splendid. I am pro-EU, probably in some hope that it will form stronger links between the working classes of different company. I know and understand people's concern about the bureaucracy, but in my eyes, I have no preference for the member states sovereignties over there being an EU superstate. They are all working in their own interests.

Yeah, I don't follow the politics of countries that don't matter. Ha!

	02-05-2002 03:11									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Ned paiktis22, Thanks for posting the article on Le Pen. Clearly as of 1993, he was no friend of Israel. I wonder why the attitude change if today he holds the opposite view. Are there any polls to indicate how the French electorate is leaning? Ned

Chirac will win with overwhelming majority. At least that's what the polls say and I think, this time, they are right.

	02-05-2002 03:39									#68
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 At least that's what the polls say and I think, this time, they are right.

I think that the polls have already proven thier worth at predicting Le Pen's support this election and unless you wish to encounter a "Dewey beats Truman" scenario, I'd stop counting on them.

	02-05-2002 03:42									#69
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They are actually required now to post the margin error and the statistics about the people they questioned and the method they used (the companies of the polls) apparenly they didn' do that before...?

	02-05-2002 03:43									#70
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Chirac will win with overwhelming majority. At least that's what the polls say and I think, this time, they are right.

Well, same polls thought it would be Jospin-Chirac in the second turn. I, too, think that Chirac will win, but I won't be completely sure before I got the result.

	02-05-2002 03:44									#71
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 They are actually required now to post the margin error and the statistics about the people they questioned and the method they used (the companies of the polls) apparenly they didn' do that before...?

The fact that they are just now doing that kind of thing would make me only trust a French poll as far as I could throw it.

	02-05-2002 03:48									#72
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you are just being anti-european

	02-05-2002 03:53									#73
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 you are just being anti-european

No, I'm being anti-flawed methodology.

	02-05-2002 03:55									#74
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc No, I'm being anti-flawed methodology.

More like statistically biased.

	02-05-2002 03:57									#75
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 More like statistically biased.

There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics.

	02-05-2002 03:58									#76
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Statistics: the easiest way to lie.

	02-05-2002 04:29									#77
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wow... i'm pretty surprised how many votes le pen is getting here on ACS, i thought most of u were rather liberal....

	02-05-2002 05:21									#78
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Caesar, Since all the discussion has been focussed on Le Pen, I too am surprised. The only justification I could see for voting for Le Pen is to vote against LO. Pehaps that is what you are seeing.

Ned

	02-05-2002 17:39									#79
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quote: Caesar, Since all the discussion has been focussed on Le Pen, I too am surprised. The only justification I could see for voting for Le Pen is to vote against LO. Pehaps that is what you are seeing

Sure, seems that extreme left afraid more people that extreme right. I will never understand this hatred of many Americans for everything that looks like a communist...

	02-05-2002 20:42									#80
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Akka le Vil, I cannot speak for every American, but I do notice that Communists historically have called for the overthrown of the U.S. government. We also notice that communist governments tend to be one-party dictatorships. Stalin, Mao and Castro are not what we want in the United States.

On a separate point, communism depends on a class system to generate support. Nothing like that exists in the the United States.

Ned

	03-05-2002 15:56									#81
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Just found some "amusing" fact about the friends of our 'friend'

BUDDIES OF LE PEN AND HIS PARTY :

Léon Gaultier: former lieutenant Waffen SS
Gilbert Gilles : former adjudant Waffen SS, former member of the OAS
Marc Augier : aka Saint-Loup. writter, ex-SS
Pierre Busquet : former member of the division Charlemagne
Victor Barthélemy : former member of the légion des volontaires français contre le Bolchevisme (LVF)
Paul Malaguti : Member of the Parti Populaire Français, guarding the Gestapo's house in Nice while resistants were being tortured (Canard enchainé, 26 february 1992)
Roland Gauguillot : former member of the Vichy government
Pierre Sergent : former member of the OAS


For those not used about French internal history :

OAS : extreme-right party whose members tried to keep the Algeria as a french colony. Involved in tortures, de Gaulle's assassination attempt, military putch attempt.

LVF, Waffen FF, Division Charlemagne : French voluntarees in WW2 that fought in the Nazi army as foreign soldiers.

	03-05-2002 15:58									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Akka le Vil, I cannot speak for every American, but I do notice that Communists historically have called for the overthrown of the U.S. government. We also notice that communist governments tend to be one-party dictatorships. Stalin, Mao and Castro are not what we want in the United States. On a separate point, communism depends on a class system to generate support. Nothing like that exists in the the United States. Ned

I do not try to make communist governments better than they are. I just wonder why in USA, "commie" is even more aggressive than "fascist".

	03-05-2002 16:18									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Akka le Vil I do not try to make communist governments better than they are. I just wonder why in USA, "commie" is even more aggressive than "fascist".

We finished the fascists in 1945, and the communists only in 1989.

	03-05-2002 17:02									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander We finished the fascists in 1945, and the communists only in 1989.

You did not finished anything. Communists are still here in North Korea and Viet-nam, and fascists still exist in many states (in fact, Pinochet was sent to power by the CIA, and the Colonels' regime was helped by USA, too).

	03-05-2002 17:19									#85
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of course i would vote for that chick, but in a current situation, le pen would get my vote. i mean, france is ALREADY a police state, they already hate foreigners big time, they even have language purification rules, so wtf, give him a try. at least he does not stick to his immunity after punching someone in the face....

	03-05-2002 18:00									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Akka le Vil You did not finished anything. Communists are still here in North Korea and Viet-nam, and fascists still exist in many states (in fact, Pinochet was sent to power by the CIA, and the Colonels' regime was helped by USA, too).

Korea is still a problem I grant you, but we are keeping an eye on them. As for the others, it's not our job to tell everyone what sort of government to have, we take an interest when they threaten their neighbors or us. There are bad governments in many places in the world, so we pay more attention to those whose policies have negative effects on us and out allies.

	03-05-2002 19:38									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander Korea is still a problem I grant you, but we are keeping an eye on them. As for the others, it's not our job to tell everyone what sort of government to have, we take an interest when they threaten their neighbors or us. There are bad governments in many places in the world, so we pay more attention to those whose policies have negative effects on us and out allies.

Still nothing to do with the hatred of many American toward leftists.

	03-05-2002 22:03									#88
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Le pen..... i don't like the french he doesn't sound good for them.

	04-05-2002 00:19									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Akka le Vil Still nothing to do with the hatred of many American toward leftists.

Akka, I don't know if "hatred" is the right term. I believe that many American's disagree with a lot of what the radical left has to say, such as state ownership of the means of production.

We are used to discussing ideas in the United States. We actually defend the right of even the Communists to speak openly. However, most Americans do not take their economic theories seriously, but rather regard them as somewhat laughable.

In actual fact, I believe so-called "workers" are better off here in United States than anyplace else the world. If you would believe communist propaganda, this would be impossible to due to the capitalist nature of our economy.

Once upon a time, Communism was not merely a benign economic theory advanced by the left in democratic societies. It was an aggressive "religion" that was actively being spread by communists throughout the world. The USSR gave it financing and support in its cold war with the U.S. It was a real threat to the continued existence of democracies.

Now, you would argue, and correctly, that the U.S. propped up corrupt anti-communist dictatorships to keep many countries from going communist. Obviously, this was wrong morally and wrong strategically as the people of these countries ended up hating us. Hopefully, we have learned our lesson.

Ned

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quote: Originally posted by Ned Obviously, this was wrong morally and wrong strategically as the people of these countries ended up hating us. Hopefully, we have learned our lesson. Ned

I sadly doubt that any secret service of any nation will ever bother about something like human rights.