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DeeEllway
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Knight Templar of the proletariat
Apr 2002
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First of all LePen is not a nazi and Laguiller is not a commie!!
LePen is a populistic fraud who tarnishes the term "nationalist" and he´s nothing other than a capitalist stooge and Laguiller has some good ideas but being a trotskyist, she doesn´t understand the importance of nationalism regarding the working class.
I wouldn´t vote. I firmly believe in the importance of engaging in practical action, in preference to wasting time, effort and money by participation in the corrupt electoral process.
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Sikander
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Boulder, Colorado, United Snakes of America
Jan 2000
time: 22:19
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quote:
Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Nationalism regarding the working class? LO is an internationalist communist party, a Trotskyist one, not a Stalinist one. The one thing that unites the working class throughout the world is their common struggle, across borders and cultures. Not arbitrary nation states, devices of the capitalist.
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You spit that dogma out so smoothly it seemed like you almost thought of it yourself. As long as it isn't Christian dogma I guess. So you're saying that the struggle of the working classes (which are those btw?, and are they struggling for or against something, or just struggling?) is a more important point of identity for members of this arbitrary class group (the device of the communist) than their national identity? HA HA HA! Stick to science son. I doubt that is true even in Western Europe which has been immersed in commy propoganda for over a century and is seeing it's nations washed away by the EU degree by degree. Every communist state has played the nationalism card for all it was worth, and the idea of nationalism is the universal success (left, right and middle) that communism always thought it would be.
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*End Is Forever*
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Salford, UK
Jan 1970
time: 05:19
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Oh, undoubtedly. The Trosky-ites on campus are most certainly anti-semetic, for a start, and they're bigoted against anyone who doesn't agree with them, and having seen their friends in action at NUS Conference I can't say I've changed my opinion.
In any case, their habit of calling anyone who disagrees with them a "fascist" - regardless of their political persuasion - fundamentally devalues the term, and makes the legitimate political fight against extremists, both on campus and in society generally, far, far harder.
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Provost Harrison
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The farce is strong with this one.
Feb 2000
time: 05:19
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quote:
Originally posted by Sikander
You spit that dogma out so smoothly it seemed like you almost thought of it yourself. As long as it isn't Christian dogma I guess. So you're saying that the struggle of the working classes (which are those btw?, and are they struggling for or against something, or just struggling?) is a more important point of identity for members of this arbitrary class group (the device of the communist) than their national identity? HA HA HA! Stick to science son. I doubt that is true even in Western Europe which has been immersed in commy propoganda for over a century and is seeing it's nations washed away by the EU degree by degree. Every communist state has played the nationalism card for all it was worth, and the idea of nationalism is the universal success (left, right and middle) that communism always thought it would be. |
 Yeah, I know it sounded a bit dogmatic, but the reason was that I didn't want to be dragged into a protracted argument, just illustrating the point of what LO stood for.
I would reply to your post if it was intelligible, but it just jumped too quickly and I couldn't make sense of it.
What I did glean from that is that you have accused me of being brainwashed with commie propaganda. I guarantee you that during my childhood that the only propaganda I have been exposed to was the foul effluent that came from the organs of the US bureaucracy. I have no interest in the nation state, and I am most certainly not going to cry if it turns into some United States of Europe or Global State. One oppressor is the same as any other in my book, but change is good, it gives opportunity.
HA HA HA! Stick to your shit shovelling son 
Iain, my personal experience with Trotskyists is that they are not racist, bigoted or close minded. If they are, they certainly aren't very good trotskyists in my book. And that kind of standpoint is certainly not what LO subscribes to.
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C0ckney
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Big Up The Macedonian Massive
Apr 2000
time: 05:19
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I'd emigrate. But if I had to make the choice then it would be Le Pen, the idea of a 'worker's revolution' has never appealed to me.
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Dr Zoidberg
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Communist Party of Apolyton
Jan 2002
time: 06:19
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quote:
Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
Oh, undoubtedly. The Trosky-ites on campus are most certainly anti-semetic, for a start, and they're bigoted against anyone who doesn't agree with them, and having seen their friends in action at NUS Conference I can't say I've changed my opinion.
In any case, their habit of calling anyone who disagrees with them a "fascist" - regardless of their political persuasion - fundamentally devalues the term, and makes the legitimate political fight against extremists, both on campus and in society generally, far, far harder. |
Oh, that kind... 
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