27-04-2002 14:26									#1
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Best-selling games for the month of March 2002:

Rank This Month / Rank Last Month / Title / Publisher / Average Price
1 / * / The Sims: Vacation / Electronic Arts / $30
2 / 4 / The Sims / Electronic Arts / $42
3 / 1 / Medal of Honor: Allied Assault / Electronic Arts / $44
4 / * / Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast / LucasArts / $47
5 / 3 / The Sims: Hot Date / Electronic Arts / $28
6 / 2 / Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone / Electronic Arts / $27
7 / 18 / Command & Conquer Renegade / Electronic Arts / $42
8 / * / Dungeon Siege / Microsoft / $49
9 / 5 / RollerCoaster Tycoon / Infogrames / $21
10 / 7 / The Sims: Livin' Large / Electronic Arts / $28
11 / 6 / Zoo Tycoon / Microsoft / $26
12 / * / Starcraft: Battle Chest / Vivendi Universal / $22
13 / * / Heroes of Might and Magic IV / 3DO / $45
14 / 11 / The Sims: House Party / Electronic Arts / $29
15 / 12 / Backyard Basketball / Infogrames / $19
16 / 13 / Diablo II: Lord of Destruction / Vivendi Universal / $29
17 / 10 / NASCAR Racing 2002 Season / Vivendi Universal / $43
18 / 9 / Civilization III / Infogrames / $47
19 / 19 / SimTheme Park / Electronic Arts / $18
20 / 14 / Empire Earth / Vivendi Universal / $47

	27-04-2002 17:41									#2
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"The Sims, vacations" better than Jedi Knight 2.

May I cry ?

	27-04-2002 18:07									#3
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I just hope it will keep selling good for a long time == more patches and XP's.

	27-04-2002 21:28									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Cesa I just hope it will keep selling good for a long time == more patches and XP's.

Me too.

	27-04-2002 21:30									#5
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Who in the hell plays "The Sims"?

	27-04-2002 21:54									#6
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Same question... I wonder why is "The Sims" a game that actually keeps staying high in the lists.

	27-04-2002 22:05									#7
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And "The Sims" is somehow 5 games that actually keeps staying high in the lists.

But it makes me wonder about Civ3... does this mean there are thousands who buy it and recommend their friends do also, that everyone just assumes it's good and buys it, or are we few hundred fans the only ones who have any problem with the game whatsoever?

	27-04-2002 22:10									#8
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The Sims appeal to a broader audience.

As for the problems... I think those who come here feed, and feed on, the problems. I would be unaware of many of them if I did not use this forum. Not to mention that some of the 'problems' are largely non-existant or are matters of personal taste.

	27-04-2002 22:12									#9
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Do you think that Civ 3 is selling good or not?

I've played SimCity and enjoyed it for a little time. Played The Sims, and didn't enjoy at all - the idea itself didn't appeal to me.

	27-04-2002 22:17									#10
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Well, being in the top 20 would probably mean it is doing well. A bit of concern for it dropping from 9 to 18. Or maybe that's just the que for XP.

You don't like the Sims. I've never tried it (other than looking at it on a computer in the shop). It doesn't suit our tastes. But obviously there are a lot of people out there for whom it is the fix.

	27-04-2002 22:19									#11
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Sure (re: The Sims). I just believe that ppl playing strategy games and live simulators are different.

I think that Civ 3 should be in the top 10, still. Anyone on how many total copies sold?

	27-04-2002 22:22									#12
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BTW, these figures are for which country/continent?

	27-04-2002 22:29									#13
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Firaxis wouldn't say in the last chat. Just said they were very happy with it.

The reason why there are so few TBS games produced these days is they have a very limited audience compared to RTS and Shooters. Yes, and also as compared to Popcorn games like the Sims. The fact that Civ is in the top 10 or 20 for a lengthy period after it's release is good news. It means there is a future for the franchise.

Hmmm. I don't see EU on that list. I wonder how MOO3 will do? I doubt it will last in the top 20 as long as Civ3.

	27-04-2002 23:46									#14
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There's no doubt that The Sims has been a great success, but this list copares apples and oranges. Only one of the Sim entries on this list is a standalone game; the rest are add-ons. The add-ons themselves serve to create more interest in the basic game, and thus more sales.

I wonder if Civ3 add-ons would perform as well. The various Civ2 editions did fairly well commercially, didn't they?

	28-04-2002 00:07									#15
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quote: this list copares apples and oranges

this is a sales list. it shows what's selling the most during a specific period. it's not a "what is the best game out there" list

	28-04-2002 03:51									#16
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: this list copares apples and oranges this is a sales list. it shows what's selling the most during a specific period. it's not a "what is the best game out there" list

Perhaps it's the most representative, as people vote with their wallets on this list.

Still, Civ3 has had it's spot in the sun for awhile (seems to have done better than SMAC I believe).

	28-04-2002 04:01									#17
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Speaking of the Sims' obvious success, is there any other example for a game with 4 (!) expansion packs?

	28-04-2002 04:05									#18
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quote: Originally posted by lockstep Speaking of the Sims' obvious success, is there any other example for a game with 4 (!) expansion packs?

You're sure you don't have any idea ?

Civ2 someone ?

	28-04-2002 04:11									#19
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I didn't mean multiplayer versions, gold editions, revamped graphic editions and the like - I expect all this for the Sims in the future. I'm speaking of 'pure' expansion packs that also add single-player stuff, a la SMAC-X. Any example for a game that did as good as the Sims?

	28-04-2002 06:16									#20
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Who in the hell plays "The Sims"?

what is the sims



you too

	28-04-2002 06:19									#21
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The sims is the best-selling pc game of all time now. Basically you control the lives of a bunch of onscreen people. It's definitely interesting and a fun for a while.

	28-04-2002 08:33									#22
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quote: Originally posted by ixnay37 The sims is the best-selling pc game of all time now. Basically you control the lives of a bunch of onscreen people. It's definitely interesting and a fun for a while.

There's now 4 expansion sets for it. They seem to have done something right with The Sims, because normally to change the HUGE mistakes of a game, you'd need to release a sequel. All Maxis need to do to fix shortcomings in The Sims is release loads and loads of expansion sets. Hot Date and Vacation really changed the mechanics of the game (in them, the family you are controlling are no longer restricted to a Big Brother House style of environment, they can go downtown in Hot Date, or go on a vacation in one of four places in Vacation).

I see why it continues to sell.

	28-04-2002 17:20									#23
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quote: Originally posted by ixnay37 The sims is the best-selling pc game of all time now. Basically you control the lives of a bunch of onscreen people. It's definitely interesting and a fun for a while.

As I said, it didn't seem fun to me even at the start.

	28-04-2002 18:08									#24
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I like it. I have one expansion, hotdate. I don't play it nearly as much as CivIII, though. To me, the fun is getting various people to hate each other. Like when you kiss some guy's wife, he'll come over and slap you. Now that's entertainment.

	29-04-2002 08:51									#25
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Who in the hell plays "The Sims"?

I do.

Hell, I may have played this game more over a longer period of time than any other game with the exception of the original Civ (of course I also played SMAC, WarCraft, Diablo, and others for so many hours that it is hard to compare). It is just so addictive. The concepts are easy to grasp. The elements just all fit together nicely. There is a great balance in do I improve my mood by having some fun or do I work out to get that extra body point for a new promotion. Do I use the extra money for a new bed or do I buy the more enjoyable television? So many choices that are amazingly simplistic. Can play for like fifteen minutes and then go on to something else.

And I am just one that has come from a strategy background in gaming. Recently, I gave the game to my girlfriend so that she would understand why I liked videogames. It worked like a charm. She loves it. Women make over half of the Sim players, the most successful women gaming ever. Plus, it was a must have for the first year for any serious gamer. No wonder it is the most successful game of all time.

And just wait. Sims Online will be out soon. When that happens, I will be able to show my girlfriend the fun in online gaming and the rest of America will rebuy this simplistic game with an amazing amount of fun.

	29-04-2002 09:08									#26
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The Sims is a pretty stupid game as far as I'm concerned. However it's software engineering and marketing is well superior to ...