02-05-2002 01:15									#1
	Civ3 Expansion Pack Got spare money?

I just read about the announced expansion pack for CivIII at gamespot.com. They are adding new cultures and a turnless version of the game for online play. Any idea how that last part will work?

	02-05-2002 01:19									#2
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Do you have a link?

Real-time? Egads!

	02-05-2002 01:23									#3
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	02-05-2002 01:24									#4
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quote: Infogrames has revealed Civilization III: Play the World, its upcoming expansion pack for Civilization III, Sid Meier's latest turn-based strategy game. The expansion, which will be shown at the upcoming Electronic Entertainment Expo in Los Angeles later this month, will include eight new civilizations and leaders along with a number of new single- and multiplayer scenarios and features. In addition, it will include a new "turnless" online mode and other improvements.

	02-05-2002 01:26									#5
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Guess that's what been behind all the "no comments".

	02-05-2002 01:39									#6
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Wonder what "other features" entails. Hopefully they will expand on some of the features we already have. - more units, more advances, that sort of thing.

I would personally love another era into the future filled with science fiction type units and advances.

	02-05-2002 01:42									#7
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is it time to start the firaxis please include the olympic games in civ3 campaign yet?

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8 new civs!

	02-05-2002 01:59									#9
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I'm optimistic, but I wont be running out the door to buy it.

	02-05-2002 02:05									#10
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH I'm optimistic, but I wont be running out the door to buy it.

Nor I do.
I would like to see Civ3 finished before seeing an XP.
Marketting...

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Well this explains why Soren is making more posts all of a sudden.

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So in the end they make you pay for the multiplayer...Wonderful. Firaxis is going downhill fast.

	02-05-2002 02:37									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Ethelred Well this explains why Soren is making more posts all of a sudden.

Has he? I must have missed them, I've been over at OT lately.

	02-05-2002 02:39									#14
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Have you not been playing Civ III then? Hey, if you didn't like Civ III, don't buy the expansion.

But if you did like Civ III, if you have a campaign or two running since its release, then reward the guys who made the game. Let them know you liked it and purchase the expansion.

Encourage developers of good games, don't insult them. I really enjoyed CivIII and would buy almost any expansion with some purchasable value as a token of my appreciation.

But, this is just my opinion, your's may be different.

Look, the expansion will probably be well work the money. I don't think Firaxis is going "downhill fast" because they want to add content and functionality to an existing game. NOT supporting a game with patches or expansions after release is going downhill.

Yes, they could have released a free expansion pack or added all of the new stuff into the original game. I mean, if your implying that a company would actually want to make money from its product, I have to agree with you. I mean, shame on them for trying to make a profit. They should give everything away and live in boxes under a bridge - that would be a good business model.

Sorry about the rant, I'm going to go back to hole now.

	02-05-2002 02:41									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf So in the end they make you pay for the multiplayer...Wonderful. Firaxis is going downhill fast.

They made you pay for multiplayer in Civ 1 and 2, why would 3 be any different?




Sounds cool. i wonder how the turnless civ works.

	02-05-2002 02:44									#16
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I wonder if they will adjust the max civs to 24, since they are putting in 8 new ones. Would be pretty sweet to play against 23 civs.

	02-05-2002 02:49									#17
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Sounds great, can't wait to try out, although there is one bad thing about this. All the annoying people who didn't like Civ3 are going to come back and whine how they don't like the XP once it comes out. But bah, I have faith in them to make a good XP(don't laugh at me for that :P). Turnless civ sounds fun, and 8 more civs will be good too. Maybe we can ask them to fix the animated leaders? Those guys all look like crack addicts.

	02-05-2002 02:50									#18
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8 new civs! woo hoo!

	02-05-2002 02:58									#19
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Call me crazy (thats rhetorical), "turnless civ" sounds like "Rise of nations". If thats true, its no wonder there was a lot of "No comments".

	02-05-2002 03:07									#20
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Alright, we have to remember Firaxis is going to try to keep sort of a balance in terms of cultural regions (mediterranean, Asian, Middle East, American, european)
Here's who they will be *ahem*
1. Spain (Europe)
2. Mongols(Asia)
3. Vikings (Europe)
4. Carthage (Mediterranean)
5. Inca (America)
6. Arabs (middle East)
These ones I feel are shoe-ins, based on the Civ 2 Precedent (including Civ 2 text files). There also can't be any more Euro civs, due to their being more than any other culture region in the game already. There won't be more than 2 in the XP.
The last two slots are open to a number of possibilities
Turks (Mediterranean)
Hebrews (middle east)
Ethiopians/Aksumites (Middle east)
Mayans (america)
Koreans (asia)

Now which 2 out of those 5 are chosen is very difficult to say. Your guess is as good as mine.

	02-05-2002 03:09									#21
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Call me crazy (thats rhetorical), "turnless civ" sounds like "Rise of nations". If thats true, its no wonder there was a lot of "No comments".

That would certainly make things interesting, if Civ3 MP went up directly against RoN. Wonder how close are the release dates.

The gamespot art. said that it would be shown at a convention later this month. Checking online, the conference is from May 21-24. Any guesses as to how long from that until it hits the shelves?

	02-05-2002 03:09									#22
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Link:

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	02-05-2002 03:20									#23
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Wiglaf, I understand how you are dissapointed about having to wind up paying for MP, because Firaxis did lead us on last summer. Then a mishap occured, and Kelley Gilmore (sp?) (accidentally) leaked out info that MP was not going to be included with the game. Oh I remember the outbreak of anger still! But you knew very well that MP was not going to be included with the game, so complaining that you are now [I]going to have to[I] pay for MP isn't fair. Firaxis has every right to put a price on MP, because as mentioned before, Firaxis let it be known that MP would not be included with the original game.

To those that are already writing off the expansion (mmhh SpencerH), what clear evidence do you have that the expansion will be poor. Granted Civ3 let me down very much at first and still does to this point, but with the resources (time, etc..) Firaxis had the game turned out very well. Now with more time more of us (if not close to most of us) should be happy with the game after this expansion. Firaxis has had a lot of time to perfect MP, so waiting to release it for a while will make it that much better.

Also, yes, it is a marketing scheme but how is that irrelevant? Firaxis makes games to please customers so in turn they can earn a (large) profit. Firaxis does not care about us on a personal basis, which is fine, all they care about is pleasing us to a point where we will continue to provide them with more profit. Not to mention, is it really going to hurt you to dish out another $30-$50?

I for one am very excited to hear what features will be included with the XP and as to when the XP will be released...I'm seriously hoping that it will be before the end of July.

Btw, thanks to the poster (forgot to check name) who posted this information.

	02-05-2002 03:33									#24
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quote: Originally posted by TechWins To those that are already writing off the expansion (mmhh SpencerH), what clear evidence do you have that the expansion will be poor. Granted Civ3 let me down very much at first and still does to this point, but with the resources (time, etc..) Firaxis had the game turned out very well. Now with more time more of us (if not close to most of us) should be happy with the game after this expansion. Firaxis has had a lot of time to perfect MP, so waiting to release it for a while will make it that much better.

I havent written off the expansion. I said I was optimistic but not willing to buy it "sight unseen". I think a "demo version" prior to puchase is a sensible approach for me at this point.

quote: Also, yes, it is a marketing scheme but how is that irrelevant? Firaxis makes games to please customers so in turn they can earn a (large) profit. Firaxis does not care about us on a personal basis, which is fine, all they care about is pleasing us to a point where we will continue to provide them with more profit. Not to mention, is it really going to hurt you to dish out another $30-$50?

If its good, it wont hurt at all, but in a few months there will be other games out there with serious demands for my time.

	02-05-2002 03:43									#25
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I too won't buy it blindly, but I'm optimistic : I think that Firaxis has learned from its past mistakes, and won't release a rushed XP. Not sure though

	02-05-2002 04:07									#26
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well i'm optimistic

i think the #1 thing that hurt civ3 was BR and the rest leaving to form BHG seven months into the development of civ3, i don't blame them for going after the oppertunity but i think that is why civ3 feels rushed, basically all of that wasted time and money hurt the final product, and most likely killed the open beta and the demo

so as long soren, mike, et al don't leave we shouldn't have those problems

plus each patch has made civ3 better, so i have hope it will be good, but we never can tell, and it probably won't be as good as what i hope it is

	02-05-2002 04:23									#27
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So does this mean that civ3.com is going to start up the "civ of the week" again? I'd expect they would after E3...

	02-05-2002 04:27									#28
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we shall see, but an official expansion is good news, this might be Civ 3 as it ought to be

	02-05-2002 04:28									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I too won't buy it blindly, but I'm optimistic : I think that Firaxis has learned from its past mistakes, and won't release a rushed XP. Not sure though

I will actually buy it "blindly". The game was far from perfect when it was released, but they've fixed most parts in it, and they've shown an interest in improving it all along. I don't believe the XP will be perfect out of the box either, but I'm willing to be one of the unofficial "bugtesters" most of us are, 'cause I believe the final product will be great. And also, if everyone was waiting to see the "final" XP (after patches) before buying, they 1. wouldn't get any money, and therefore couldn't afford patching it, and 2. would get less "betatesters", as I assume they will need. (I don't want to sound negative, I guess I do, but I don't want my hopes too high...)

I too think games should work out of the box, I expect it from pretty much everything I buy, but the gaming industry does not (sadly) work like that. I believe the best way to get the game we want is to buy what Firaxis offers for sale, so I will.

	02-05-2002 04:33									#30
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I already paid for this when I rushed out to buy the Limited Edition. I was a devoted fan. I won't pay for it again.

And I am getting my money's worth...