27-04-2001 02:41									#1
	I am jack's utter disappointment... Tired of ads?

Oh well...I guess i'll have to wait for civ4 to come out before i switch. THE SCREENSHOTS have left me HORRIBLY disappointed. The visual interphase has crap thrown all over the screen like CtP. I like the nice clean interphase MUCH BETTER. What a pitty this great game is ruined....

	27-04-2001 03:11									#2
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Now that you mention it I must say that I also get second thoughts. Not so much because of the terrain-graphics - that can rather easily be updated/changed the next couple of months. Im thinking more about the interface itself.

It reminds me to much of the interface-graphics in CTP. Also, I hated the blurry look of TOT. I prefer the crisp-sharp look of MS windows-graphics. Whats wrong with Civ-2 windows-style, with standard dropdown-menus an added rightclick-menus? Also, I want to be able to play the game in a window. And perhaps with different skins to play around with.

	27-04-2001 03:17									#3
	Full PM-box? Change here!

I hope to God that this is an alpha screenshot. Because if the game looks like that in the final release, I doubt that many people would buy it.

	27-04-2001 03:35									#4
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

People don't buy Civ for flashy graphics, they buy it for the game. CivIII would easily be able to surpass The Sims sales if was sold today, even being at an off-time (not holiday)

	27-04-2001 03:40									#5
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Oh, here we go...

Aside from some of the terrain squares, the graphics are fine. We've already seen the City Screen and we know it's not going to be plagued by CTP's infernal slider bars. And even if SMAC didn't convince you that pull-up menus can be as effective as pull-down menus, keep in mind that you can still use your function keys to call up pertinent information. There's nothing in the pictures we've seen that points to a problem with the i-n-t-e-r-f-a-c-e.

Sheesh.

Quit whining about the greatest game in the universe.

	27-04-2001 03:43									#6
	Tired of ads?

By the way, that extra stuff at the bottom left of the screen isn't going to be there all the time. It's pretty clear that those icons relate to the possible actions that be taken with the highlighted unit: fortify and go, for example.

	27-04-2001 04:42									#7
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

As far as I am concerned, the graphics are completely fine.

	27-04-2001 05:03									#8
	Tired of ads?

I agree, the graphics are FINE!! If nothing else, they make me want the game all the much more.

****, the game is MONTHS from being released, and you're complaining about the graphics because of what you ASSUME about the interface, which probably will change a DOZEN times before release? come on now. .

	27-04-2001 05:48									#9
	Inflate your Upload Space

I guess it's not the final version, but a test version of SMAC with Civish graphics. I read this in Gamespot UK interview with Sid.

	27-04-2001 19:07									#10
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

Of course civ games are about gameplay but firaxis claimed that the game will have the best graphics of this genre.
I DONT THINK SO.

	27-04-2001 20:14									#11
	Put an end to popups!

I don't want the graphics to be any "better" than they already appear to be from the screenshots. Too much animation and graphics would merely make the game look childish.

BTW: Well done Firaxis!!!

	27-04-2001 22:14									#12
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

By the way, who is Jack, and why are you his utter disappointment?

	27-04-2001 23:36									#14
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Enoch, I believe "Jack's Utter Disapointment" was Ed Norton in the movie "Fight Club." By the way, how's Seattle? My own Apolyton name is a reference to that city you live in, my old home town, I'm sure everyone has been dying to know that! Well, now they do.

So yeah, I must say I love seeing the whining and and kvetching start about what's wrong with the game, because it can only mean one thing -- THE GAME IS FINALLY COMING!!!!

	28-04-2001 02:46									#16
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

I guess I shouln't assume that the screenshots look exactly the same as the final game will look, but from what I see, I think the enviroment, for example the ocean, looks kind of dull. I wish they would use more distinct blue colors for the ocean and green ones for the grass.

Make it something you will like looking at for 10 hours in a row - a nice home for the people in your civilization.

	28-04-2001 02:49									#17
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IMO: This game looks amazing in all respects (other than the 7 civilization per game limit).

	28-04-2001 10:27									#18
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Ashbery: As has been stated is previous interviews, the Civ graphics you see in the screenshots are like this: As sson as they started to make Civ3, they took the SMAC engine, and replaced it with civ placeholders, and these shots sure look like it. In the 8-12 months until the release, the graphics will change. Don't be so quick to judge.


No wonder Firaxis was so reluctant to show screens this early. Dan M.-I understand now. But I know how it will improve, and I can't wait to spend my money!

	29-04-2001 06:25									#19
	Increase Your PM Length

hmmm...

I never said anything about the graphics. The graphics will change almost assuredly. It is the interfase(sp?) i have a problem with. As ralf said, I too much prefer the civ2-windows-style display. It makes for cleaner, better organized gameplay.


For all those of you that turned this into a grpahics discussion: post your own thread if you have comments about graphics, don't hijack mine

P.s. Enoch, if you don't know who Jack is, i hope that you live in a country other than the united states. If you live in the US, you really should get out more...

	29-04-2001 14:35									#20
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Wait a minute - I know the map screenshot's are from an alpha ver. but they're FLAT. Why go to the trouble of designing funky voxel units when they get placed on a flat isometric map (which DOES look spookily similiar to the CTP series maps). Why not the raised & texture mapped world from SMAC or RailRoad Tycoon ][ ???

	29-04-2001 14:39									#21
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

i think graphics and maps aren't the main issue in that they are likely to change a great deal before the games release. I think the problem is that they aren't keeping the civ2 window-style interphase...

	29-04-2001 20:49									#22
	Suffering from ads?

If those are the final graphics, I'll definately go the way of warez. With lush looking games like Black & White available these days, those graphics are a big joke. Test of Time looked just as good.

Bkeela.

	01-05-2001 01:51									#24
	Increase the size of your Attachments

What?? Are you saying that the game is not windowed?!?! I hope this is a bad joke.