03-05-2002 12:35									#1
	Immortals beat Knights consistently Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I have repeatedly attacked Persian Immortals (4/2) with Knights (4/3). That's basically a 4 to 2 battle as I see it - plus in some instances it was veteran knights vs regular Immortals. The knights have lost virtually every fight. Do Immortals have special abilities against mounted units (not documented anywhere I can find) or am I just running a streak of bad luck?

	03-05-2002 14:53									#2
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

ak

i often play as the persians, so use the immortals heaps
i haven't played it in the past 3-4 weeks, so i can't remember being beaten like a radish by cavalry, but in my last game, i had a recurring barbarian problem, and they had a lot of knights and warriors, and i beat them all (rem. barbarians are conscripts though, and i had a vet/elite (can't rem.)

looks like ur just having a streak of bad luck, howver, i've got the combat stats. here that measure who wins a fight.:

(attackers offensive power)/((attackers offensive power) + (defenders defensive power))= %chance ffor attacker to win

eg. swordsman (off. power of 3) VS. Warrior (def. power of 1)

swordsman has a 3/(3+1) chance of winning
aka, 75%

u can work it out for the Immortal/knight scenario

maybe it's just really close to 50%... chances are chances

	04-05-2002 02:36									#3
	Re: Immortals beat Knights consistently Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by ak I have repeatedly attacked Persian Immortals (4/2) with Knights (4/3). That's basically a 4 to 2 battle as I see it - plus in some instances it was veteran knights vs regular Immortals. The knights have lost virtually every fight. Do Immortals have special abilities against mounted units (not documented anywhere I can find) or am I just running a streak of bad luck?

If the Immortals are in a town with walls or a city over size 7 then it gets a bonus to defense. If not, terrain can give defensive bonuses also.

	04-05-2002 03:58									#4
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The battles were on flat terrain - no terrain modifiers added in. I guess it's a 66% chance in favor of the Knights which is not overwhelming.

I was wondering if there are any units that have an increased capability against particular types of units - ie. mounted, foot, arty etc. Did Civ2 have that - I can't remember, or maybe it was another game...

	04-05-2002 10:50									#5
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yeah,

pikemen have better stats against all mounted units, i don't know how much though, dunno where i read it but try having a look in the civ pedia

	04-05-2002 13:39									#6
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There's nothing in the editor to suggest any unit has better stats vs. any particular unit (e.g. pikeman vs. knight)

	05-05-2002 11:54									#7
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that's what I thought. Civ2 had some unit specific advantages - but I can't find any shred of documentation suggesting that in Civ3...