03-05-2002 18:06									#1
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In the latter stages of the game the AI tends to refuse to speak with the humans and is seemingly not bothered with WW.

Has anyone found a way to force communications?

	03-05-2002 18:21									#2
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burn a couple of cities to the ground.

	03-05-2002 18:23									#3
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doesn't work even with several cities in one turn

and doesn't work with one or two cities in one turn

	03-05-2002 20:23									#4
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theres some set time limit, having 20 assault units outside their palace wont make them talk to you.

	03-05-2002 21:02									#5
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Sometimes they're just being b*tches. But then, when you've razed all but one of their cities to the ground, odds are they will be much more receptive to your proposals... ;-)
Like, gimme all your gold and techs, your world maps, all the workers and your firstborn child...

	04-05-2002 00:43									#6
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quote: Originally posted by georges bonbon In the latter stages of the game the AI tends to refuse to speak with the humans and is seemingly not bothered with WW. Has anyone found a way to force communications?

Are you at war with them? In peacetime, at lest in my experience, they never refuse to speak unless I've only just gone to war with them - after a few turns they calm down, so I can cummunicate during war-time as well.

	06-05-2002 18:56									#7
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bismarck was furious with me, but i quickly built up my navy and air power, even crossing into his territory, while his battleships patrolled my coast. sensing that i would just love a war, he was furious, but there was no way i could demand that he removes units or declare war. instead, the only option i was getting was 'please remove them at once'. finally i tricked him somehow into declaring it, so i did not get to take a hapiness hit

	06-05-2002 19:23									#8
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Killing a lot of his units thereby decreasing his total armed forces size tends to get them to talk to you.

If you have troops within his territory and they are threatening to capture a town that has a strategic resource within it's borders then they'll talk to you.

Just a couple of known tricks I use to get a stubborn AI to talk to you during a war. Keep in mind though that sometimes it takes a long time to get them to talk to you no matter what you do. It's only when the computer feels that he's on his way out that he'll talk to you. Get some other countries to join in on your war with them and that too will help.

One thing I noticed last night that I tried to talk to the Chinese in my current game to get a peace agreement. They refused to talk to me even though I captured 2 of their cities and reduced their navy to virtually zero. Then I looked at the military advisor screen and noticed that they were still in democracy. 3 turns later I peeked at the military advisor screen again and noticed that the chinese were in anarchy. I asked for an end to the war and they jumped at it. Since I only have a single point of data it's hard to correlate my theory of while they're in anarchy they'll talk peace. I will have to experiment with this.

	06-05-2002 19:23									#9
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I think that razing makes them more stubborn.

Personally, I think thay'll start to talk more quickly if you DON'T raze their cities.

	07-05-2002 05:35									#10
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quote: and is seemingly not bothered with WW.

It does seem that way at times but they do have the same problem. Sometimes they change government to one that is immune to war weariness. I have occasionly seen the AI cities start burning.

Its hard to get their attention at the start of a war because people were exploiting AI in the version of the game. Soren had to put a minimum time limit on how long a AI would stay incommunicado. Also if you have a bad rep they may take a long time to ever talk to you again. It doesn't have to be your fault either. I have learned not to make peace while I have an active MPP for that reason.

	07-05-2002 13:50									#11
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 Are you at war with them? In peacetime, at lest in my experience, they never refuse to speak unless I've only just gone to war with them - after a few turns they calm down, so I can cummunicate during war-time as well.

I am at war with the Americans, the Romans and Chinese. The three of them have declared war. Americans and Romans have an alliance.

	07-05-2002 18:59									#12
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I've had weird things with this. When I declared war on France once, by saying That's it! Prepare for WAR! The diplo screen didn't go away, I could immediately offer peace.

Then, I've had a few times go the civ I'm at war with to Annoyed from Furious.

Last Game Zulu declared war on me, but they were far and couldn't get to me, only one small attack came. However, for peace they wanted tech all the time, so I kept refusing. Shaka became even Cautious (!) while we still were at war.

	07-05-2002 21:36									#13
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso instead, the only option i was getting was 'please remove them at once'. finally i tricked him somehow into declaring it, so i did not get to take a hapiness hit

As far a I can see, you can always declare war without happiness hit if you renegotiate your peace treaty and let the negotiations fail.

	07-05-2002 22:16									#14
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Sir Ralph, I am almost certain that you do take a reputation hit if you let negotiations fail when you are asking for something else in addition to peace.

I think you don't take a hit when they don't accept your peace offer straight up. Has anyone else noticed this?

	05-08-2003 14:56									#15
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bumb ....

Any new ideas, because the problem remains the same.

You can be on the brink of destroying them, you can be on the brink of taking a resource, but they will not talk.

	06-08-2003 05:29									#16
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remember that there is a mininum # of terms before the AI will talk to you after declaration of war (from either side). Usually, I find that the AI is willing to talk after 6 turns no matter who is winning.

However, if you've repeatedly broken peace treaties (before the 20 turns are up), the AI is less likely to talk to you, even if they are facing elimination.

	06-08-2003 17:36									#17
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I find about 6 turns and some damage is enough to bring them to the table, but then I don't break 20 turn deals, or declare war whilst in their territory or do many of the rep-busting things available.

Tell us Georges, what's your reputation like - how have you been behaving?

	07-08-2003 21:44									#18
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AI won't talk with you for 5 turns after the war starts no matter what.

After that 5 turn wait, their often willing to talk, even if they say that you'd have to give up a lot of gold, techs, and cities for peace.

Note that razing seems to increase the time that they won't talk to you.

	08-08-2003 04:53									#19
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Threatening a city with a strategic resources helps, as noted 15 months ago.