01-05-2001 15:27									#1
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Several people have professed their indiference to the 7 civilization limit on the basis of their hopes that there will be minor civilizations in Civ 3. They base this (unfortunately) flawed assumption on the fact that Sid stated in a very early interview that they are planning to include minor civs. It must be noted that this interview is rather old and the game design has probably changed several times by then. Moreover, none of the profligate amount of previews that have recently started appearing even so much as mentioned minor civilizations, even though they have gone into extensive detail about the game.
The only subject mentioned in the previews that is related to minor civilizations is that barbarians will now have cities. It is becoming increasingly clear that this is what the minor civilizations will amount to - and frankly that is not enough to compensate for the 7 civilization limit.

	01-05-2001 16:02									#2
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Roman quote from Only 7 civilizations...
"Ok, I think the point has now been made - after all this thread has reached 4 pages in just 3 days. Hence, I will now quieten down on this issue, but I would still like to hear from Firaxis whether the 7 civilization limit will be tweakable through text-files and if not what programming challenge stood in the way of that."

My underlining.

Well, why not follow your own statment, at least untill we know a little more about the whole picture.

	01-05-2001 16:12									#3
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Good point, Ralf. I just cannot seem to get over the issue.

	01-05-2001 17:41									#5
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hehehee... what else is there to say... would have been better to have minor civs of course would have increased the taste of the game...

	01-05-2001 20:14									#7
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Well, my problem with `minor civs' is I don't think nations should be shoe-horned into a major/minor role. Civilizations that once ruled large areas should be able to be reduced to a minor power and insignifigant nations should be able to rise to world-spaning prominence.

A major/minor distinction just feels artifical.

Obviously we don't know how it would be implimented, but that's my impression off the bat.

Joe

	02-05-2001 09:55									#10
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I think you might be right, but I can't stop hoping on Minor Civilizations.
In the Unofficial POLL on the topic the current Results shows that most civers want Minor Civilizations in the game.

I hope that the at least huts will be replaced with Minor Civilizations that you may choose to attack or negotiate with to get he bonus that came from them in earlier games.

	02-05-2001 02:16									#12
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Imran, unlike the AI, minor civs are a much more tangible element of the game, so it would be noticed by the previewers. Moreover the fact that minor civs were the first announcement just indicates how old the announcement is and decreases the reliability of the information contained therein.