04-05-2002 01:58									#1
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I know I'm behind the times, and you've probably discussed this before but, I was just so astonished by the group England is in that I had to post something.

Argentina, England, Sweden, and Nigeria.

Talk about the group of death! Is it just me or does this seem to happen to England too often?

	04-05-2002 02:01									#2
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There were times people would have thought you'd have got to be having a laugh about that rant. I mean let's face it, England's power of once is over now, and so is Germany's. World of soccer turned upside down.

	04-05-2002 02:19									#3
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Your just pissed off that East Germany never won anything and that we gave you a 5-1 thrashing in Munich last September

	04-05-2002 02:25									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion There were times people would have thought you'd have got to be having a laugh about that rant. I mean let's face it, England's power of once is over now, and so is Germany's. World of soccer turned upside down.

Yes, viva Costa Rica!

	04-05-2002 02:33									#5
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Does east germany field its own team now? God I'm so out of it over here!

	04-05-2002 02:45									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion There were times people would have thought you'd have got to be having a laugh about that rant. I mean let's face it, England's power of once is over now, and so is Germany's. World of soccer turned upside down.

not so much turned upside down, as gone accross the channel for an extended holiday!

the England team may be a little inexperieced this time around, but in 4 years all the key players will be hitting their prime.

	04-05-2002 02:59									#7
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I'm going to boycot this world cup until the semis. It's ridiculous to have China, Costa Rica and Senegal play (while excluding teams like Holland and Scotland).

	04-05-2002 03:00									#8
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everyone replying to me so far, keep em coming!

East Germany used to have its own team and beat the wessis 1-0 in 72. 74? 78? Go Sparwasse!

	04-05-2002 03:13									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin Your just pissed off that East Germany never won anything and that we gave you a 5-1 thrashing in Munich last September

I mis-read that. You're saying England beat Germany 5-1 in Munich? Was that because England was good or the Germans sucked?

	04-05-2002 03:13									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus I'm going to boycot this world cup until the semis. It's ridiculous to have China, Costa Rica and Senegal play (while excluding teams like Holland and Scotland).

why? they qualified and Holland didn't, you have to regionalize the qualifiers or you's have european players having to jet off to play in China on a wednesday and get back to play league football on the saturday, the clubs (who pay the wages) would never stand for it.

The Scots and the Dutch are not there because they couldn't win games in the qualifiers against supposedly weaker teams, would you make like to make an exception because we KNOW the Dutch can play better?

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I certainly wouldn't complain.

	04-05-2002 03:20									#12
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quote: Was that because England was good or the Germans sucked?

When conversing with Ecthelion, assume the latter.

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You naughty imp

	04-05-2002 03:23									#14
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germany were poor, but england had 6 or so chances and scored from 5 of them, it wasn't a 5-1 game in my book

	04-05-2002 03:46									#15
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Scotland aren't in because, and as a Scot I can say this, we are a type a Muslim, minus one 'i'.

And for those who are confused, that Musilm is "Shiite"

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quote: why? they qualified and Holland didn't, you have to regionalize the qualifiers or you's have european players having to jet off to play in China on a wednesday and get back to play league football on the saturday, the clubs (who pay the wages) would never stand for it.

Exactly! And for a World Cup, you'd prefer to have countries from all over the world compete... especially if it is being held outside of Europe.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And for a World Cup, you'd prefer to have countries from all over the world compete... especially if it is being held outside of Europe.

Erm...no, I don't.

	04-05-2002 05:40									#18
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how else is the rest of the world supposed to catch up to Europe and South America, but to play them at the highest level?

Look how poor the African nations were until 1990, they got better by playing competative football against the best teams in the world.

PS BTW Senegal were runners-up in the African Nations this year, so they are due some respect!

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quote: Originally posted by Chowlett Scotland aren't in because, and as a Scot I can say this, we are a type a Muslim, minus one 'i'. And for those who are confused, that Musilm is "Shiite"

Whew!! I thought you meant Sunni!

	05-05-2002 16:46									#20
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quote: would you make like to make an exception because we KNOW the Dutch can play better?

Yes. They are called wildcards. There are used in many other sports, so why can't they be used in soccer? Plus, Europe is grossly underrepresented in the World Cup, considering they have the world's best teams. It's a cup in which only the best teams in the world are allowed to compete. Well, that's clearly not the case here. It's not about Holland as such, cause I'd feel the same way if China was allowed to play but, say, Germany wasn't.

	05-05-2002 16:57									#21
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I think dutch people should shut up already. You did worse in qualifying than Iran, for ****'s sake. Iran actually managed to beat the republic of Ireland, something Holland was unable to do. And since China, etc. beat Iran, based purely on qualifying Holland is worse than all the asian teams. Purely objectively.

	05-05-2002 20:50									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Yes. They are called wildcards. There are used in many other sports, so why can't they be used in soccer? Plus, Europe is grossly underrepresented in the World Cup, considering they have the world's best teams. It's a cup in which only the best teams in the world are allowed to compete. Well, that's clearly not the case here. It's not about Holland as such, cause I'd feel the same way if China was allowed to play but, say, Germany wasn't.

FIFA are trying to develop the came in so called third world countries and this is their way of doing it, also teams like Germany, Italy and Holland are given a starting advantage in the qualifying groups because they are seeded, and don't have to play against the other top teams, so if they still can't qualify, well tough!

	05-05-2002 21:11									#23
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I agree with Snapcase. The Netherlands should be nuked.

	05-05-2002 21:24									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion I agree with Snapcase. The Netherlands should be nuked.

OK, no Amsterdam meeting then I suppose.

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That was a joke, not a reason to get personal and quit meeting plans.

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No offense intended, but I'm sick of the "Holland should be in, because Costa Rica is in"-vs-"Holland doesn't deserve to be in, because Costa Rica is in"-discussion.

Louis van Gaal is an idiot, that's all.

	05-05-2002 21:35									#27
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Where's the people complaining that Austria isn't in?

	05-05-2002 21:37									#28
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Austria has a football team?

	05-05-2002 21:37									#29
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Austria is not a country. Austrian players could try and run for Germany

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The really funny thing about the group is that the runner up in the group will meet the winner of France's group. This means that if England (or Sweden) manages to grab a hold of the second position in the group (I am asuming that Argentina will win the group), they will most likely meet France as their first play-off opponent. Doesent sound like England or Sweden will have a very succesfull world cup this year.