06-05-2002 19:57									#1
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I was playing with 1.21, that I like much, and encountered an obvious bug. I am on a continent's northern part, and there's a chokepoint to the south (one tile) leading to the other part of the continent, with the Iroquois being close there. I kept the chokepoint fortified ever since I discovered it, and no Iroqouis unit ever, except the Scout early on, was north of the chokepoint.

In the Ancient Age, I had a small war with the Iroquois, but I took two cities. Both were south of the chokepoint. We signed peace, and, as time came, I colonized some of the land over the chokepoint, still keeping it fortified all the time, and now had a usual border with the Iroquois.

Now it's late Middle Ages. I got an army of Samurai and Longbowmen and decide I'd like to torture the Iroquois a bit. I declare war on them, and the next turn, several cities go into disorder. Here I understood why, I got cities captured from the Iroquois with their citizens. The cities still had some people with Iroquois nationality.

However, a city of Edo went into disorder, too! Aa you probably know, this is one of the first Japanese cities. Edo was some 5 tiles away from my capitol, and the Iroquois weren't anywhere near it. Still, I zoomed in, asked for the unhappiness report and saw that "Stop the aggression against our mother country!". Surprised, I took a look at citizens, and noticed some of them saying "Laborer (Iroquois)". Now it's very weird, for the city of Edo belonged to me ever since it was founded, and didn't go anywhere else for a turn!

Any explanation?

	06-05-2002 20:06									#2
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maybe the moved to edo, teh capital of their new "country"

	06-05-2002 20:07									#3
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The only thing I can think of. Did you have captured Iroquois worker join your city?

	06-05-2002 21:25									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Jawa Jocky The only thing I can think of. Did you have captured Iroquois worker join your city?

Hey! Now that's good! Might have been just it and me forgetting later . Will have to see.

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	06-05-2002 21:33									#5
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hi ,

not an explanation , just an other , ......problem , ....

when capturing workers , love to do that , trade them out , lol ,
the workers showed up in the city's as mine , on the diplomacy screen the same , but when out side the city , the kept their original identity , ......

LOL

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	07-05-2002 14:46									#6
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i had two cities that would rather starve themselves to death then "forget the cruel oppresion that i bore down on them"

i founded these cities well into the game, while i was in a democracy, to use 1 or 2 tiles that my developed cities weren't and to get some extra trade from the ocean tiles.

Best part is that since i wasn't getting any shields in those cities, i had to rush build everything. Unimaginable amounts of money down the drain as the last citizens perished.

	08-05-2002 03:12									#7
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Worker identity confusion:
Somehow I left 4 workers on a tile without escort and India captured them but didn't disband them. I captured them back and they're no longer mine, now they are Indian and work only half-fast. At least I no longer need to pay for them.

JB

	08-05-2002 04:02									#8
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Captured workers are the only thing I can think of. If not, then I guess this is a bug.

	08-05-2002 21:59									#9
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hi ,

there seams to be a general problem with the workers , ....

how come , ...??

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	08-05-2002 22:47									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Solver However, a city of Edo went into disorder, too! Aa you probably know, this is one of the first Japanese cities. Edo was some 5 tiles away from my capitol, and the Iroquois weren't anywhere near it. Still, I zoomed in, asked for the unhappiness report and saw that "Stop the aggression against our mother country!". Surprised, I took a look at citizens, and noticed some of them saying "Laborer (Iroquois)". Now it's very weird, for the city of Edo belonged to me ever since it was founded, and didn't go anywhere else for a turn! Any explanation?

Is it possible that the Iroquese used a spy for spreading propaganda?

	08-05-2002 23:43									#11
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Actually, I've proven that I was mistaken and I made some of the Workers I captured join the city. Stupid me, but I didn't use slaves to join cities before.

BTW, propaganda can't work like that... it takes the city, or does nothing.

	08-05-2002 23:50									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Actually, I've proven that I was mistaken and I made some of the Workers I captured join the city. Stupid me, but I didn't use slaves to join cities before. BTW, propaganda can't work like that... it takes the city, or does nothing.

hi ,

well that's the best thing for slaves , let them join , or "trade" them out to other civ's .

oh yeah , when you wait long enough , they become part of your civ !!!

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	08-05-2002 23:54									#13
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That's right... assimilation.

However I've found that the other civs won't always pay too much for the workers, so unless I really want good relations with the Civ I captured the Workers from, I'll probably keep them in the field... they're free, though slow. Or just add em babies to cities.

	09-05-2002 00:03									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Solver That's right... assimilation. However I've found that the other civs won't always pay too much for the workers, so unless I really want good relations with the Civ I captured the Workers from, I'll probably keep them in the field... they're free, though slow. Or just add em babies to cities.

hi ,

hey ; no one talked about selling , i found out that you have to use them like chips , when asking for a right of passage or some goods , and when someone is "demanding" stuff from ya , then they play out very well .

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	09-05-2002 00:21									#15
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Re trading workers:
It has been said that they prefer their own nationality (e.g., give/trade American workers to America).

Panag,
When you said "wait long enough , they become part of your civ" you were referring to those that were part of your cities, right??? I haven't heard or experienced foreign workers being assimilated yet.

	09-05-2002 00:34									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Jaybe Re trading workers: It has been said that they prefer their own nationality (e.g., give/trade American workers to America). Panag, When you said "wait long enough , they become part of your civ" you were referring to those that were part of your cities, right??? I haven't heard or experienced foreign workers being assimilated yet.

hi , when you have a foreign worker "join" your city you have to wait , and wait , and depending on how your city is and your civ , buildings , wonders , happy , size (thats important) and a bunch of other stuff, the "personicon" (the worker-citizen) changes , into a citezen of your civ !!!

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