24-05-2002 03:06									#31
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Ren and Stimpy could have a ball with this one, "Stimpy, U IDIOT!!"

But seriously, I gotta say, of all the game I have played, I have seen some great players, and some mdeiocre ones, but if a peson "Moderates" and that person is a veteran, and we here have some veterans, than we could spot an obvious cheat!

I say, C-Matrix if you could answer Gavrushka and us all, than you would add credence to your defense, but as it stands, it sounds like UDDERBULL$H!T

Just answer so we may see what lies beneath, simple sound playable,backable theories or perhaps, a "veiled" gamestyle?

Tell us Judas, was the victory worth the bag of coins?

Troll

	24-05-2002 05:01									#32
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quote: Originally posted by quinns Easy Jppw... This C-Matrix needs to be made an example of to the rest of this forum. I'm with you Gavrushka... Go on C-Matrix -- Continue with your looooodicrous defense... Answer Gavrushka's questions.

Easy Quinns... C-Matrix doesn't owe anybody an explanation; I'm surprised he replied at all !! If I were the moderator of this forum, I'd rather deal with this issue in private. BTW, I mean no harm to Gav. He knows I'm joking. Who would want to see him wearing midriffs after all

	24-05-2002 05:32									#33
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Hi..Im a booking Agent for a wonderful place called Solver-Hall, quiet,quaint and a place to just "get-away from it all"

Im looking at C-Matrix's name..if you will claim this, just ask for the attendant on duty at the frontdesk, a Mr.Solver D.Banner, he will book you right on thru!

	24-05-2002 05:50									#34
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JPWW- I emailed saves to you, the matter was attempted to be dealt with in private, and I did ask permission before posting- I am not sure what your angle is regarding C-Matrix- he was offered the opportunity to defend himself, but well, maybe you follow his replies, but it comes across that he is barking mad to me!

And of course no offence taken at all, - I once criticised you for expressing an opinion, but we don't live in a totalitarian state ...... Or as C-Matrix would put it the cheese flows readily on a plate greased expectantly for the continuing battle between good ( the chickens) and evil ( small model boats)

	24-05-2002 06:00									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka JPWW- I emailed saves to you, the matter was attempted to be dealt with in private, and I did ask permission before posting- I am not sure what your angle is regarding C-Matrix- he was offered the opportunity to defend himself, but well, maybe you follow his replies, but it comes across that he is barking mad to me! And of course no offence taken at all, - I once criticised you for expressing an opinion, but we don't live in a totalitarian state ...... Or as C-Matrix would put it the cheese flows readily on a plate greased expectantly for the continuing battle between good ( the chickens) and evil ( small model boats)

I once barked M D at my buddy gav..and well.."C" my booking agents post above..to quote the American commercial for Mountain Dew.."Been there, done that!"

I would ask that we at least "censor" C-Matrix..wait..Matrix you say..(hmmm..pausing, pondering..now where have I heard that name..scratching chin.. )Matirix..now couldnt that dude in that movie "manipulate his surroundings????..maybe what we have here..is..a..Failure..to communicate?..(Bad Cool hand Luke rendition by the way)

As for Cheeses flowing..ugh..I think somethings a foul..as in Chickens going to battle with small boats..

Ok..Im all confused, as I am sure C-Matrix is with "Exactly" what went on..maybe we could just regroup, forgive C-Matrix for his "Extraordinary" playing abilities??..Nah..

Solver-Hall..NEXT UP!!!

	24-05-2002 07:05									#36
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quote: I understand completely the frustration and confusion related to my presence here.

None here at all? If you could explain the frustration you perceive we may be in a better position to respond.

quote: I also understand how painful could be to loose your illusions.

???? Illusions? we have none you it would seem you have many...

quote: Many people here are desperately trying to keep them by playing with weaker players, avoiding games that will show their lack of skills, or simply saying that you are a cheater when they are loosing the game (especially if the lost comes from a newbie).

That is the best B.S. posted here to date care to explain or how about an online game. You ready newbie? I will play you right now heh talk about illusion....I would have to say anyone of us would play you online right now. You?

quote: What Gavrushka is saying means that there are huts I should open and other I shouldn’t, or directions of movement that are forbidden to be played, or tiles where I shouldn’t make cities.

No what ALL OF US THAT HAVE 1 OZ OF BRAINS ARE SAYING IS YOU CHEATED. Simply put you got caught fess up. You are playing with fire here and ASSume we are newbies or stupid give it up.

quote: I wouldn’t mind to do so, but of course I should be provided with a list for that things.

Heh look at the game saves, how about tell us all WHY you decided not to check out the only ruins period you did not do. Considering they contain barbarians this should be good...Balls in your court...

quote: On the other hand, apparently I have been “secretly” moderated of more then 2 people and no one of them incl. the official moderator is mentioning the fact that this game has been modified after it started so I couldn’t play my turns ( but this obviously has not been considered important for the purpose of moderating).

Yes it is important it says we here as a community watch, act and ensure fair, even, honest and most important we include people here with some sort of gaming moxy play here...get it now?

quote: The truth is that the hut’s luck can give you some advantage in the beginning of the game, but never can be the main reason to win. Anyway I agree that it will be much better to play without huts.

Truth Heh...

quote: So am I a cheater?

YES YES YES get it?

quote: For those who need to believe that in order to keep their or other people’s illusion, my answer would not matter.

I am confused you have the opportunity to make good and you curl up and B.S. awwwwwww poooooorrrrrrrr newbie caught cheating, FLAKE comes to mind...You shouls have checked out the history of the players before pulling a stupid stunt like that and this for that matter...

quote: Or am I a good player?

How about an online game lets see how good you are heh cheaters are never good players they fake it.

quote: Definitely not brilliant, but I don’t make big mistakes.

You have several times already and brilliant you are not. 1. You ASSume you can do what you did and no one saw it. 2. You made an ASS of yourself here with your weak and moronic attack on honest people. 3. Go away...

quote: Those who played against me can find the answer if they review our games. If they just look carefully they can see how many opportunities have been ignored and mistakes made.

It took but one set of game turns to see YOUR mistake.

quote: How far then, there will be people at Apolyton doing “secretly” the normal things.

Seems to me you despise the fact we here do things to keep it on the up and up...Find a league that doen't it would appear that is what you desire. Hey Idea TRY GAMELEAGUE

quote: How far then, the people who are loosing against me will believe that the luck or cheating were the reasons that they lost.

About one game worth of saves

quote: And how far then, we shell talk about cheating and accusing each others, instead of learning and having fun while playing, because when the game finish the winner dies also.

DUH keep it clean and we all have fun here or did you not notice...

quote: The answer is definitely very simple. You either find some suitable reason (doesn’t matter what, anything goes), cut this bullshit and you can believe in anything you want. I won’t bother you any more.

Good...

quote: Or if you need the truth, I am ready to play against alliance of the best 3 PBEM players at Apolyton and to show you how deep CTP goes.

Good luck but it would never be PBEM because quite frankly you suck. Try online and goodluck.

quote: You can crush me now if you want.

You crushed you do not even try to blame others for your mis judgement...

quote: If so, this game has to be moderated publicly, what means that everybody will be allowed to observe all turns as the game goes.

We did or have you not caught on yet?

quote: No huts will exist on the map and if I loose you will have the best prove that I just talk, cheat and bullshit and the satisfaction of crushing such an arrogant person as me.

You are weak people who cheat are weak the only bullshit here is you go away now.

quote: Yours in CTP

Heh and I know who you are Nice try.............

quote: C-MATRIX

Ps ( And also I have to disappoint those who are sending me Civ3Training packages, especially those containing Back Door Back Orifice, as my training finished long time ago and there are more effective solutions available today)[/q]

BYE have fun.


JP you like to muck it up but becareful some lines should not be crossed. If you have one oz of honesty and have viewed the game files you know you are defending a losing cause. Just a thought....

	24-05-2002 07:23									#37
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Read the last post.... Footnote butthead I have spend a better part of a year (secretly) Weeding out cheats from honest, good, better gammers than you... Like to disput that? go away come back when you have the ability to play fair, honest and accept a loss....

	24-05-2002 13:27									#38
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Sorry guys, I'm currently ill and thusly not present here all the time.

Gavrushka, I thought I have already told you to remove C-MATRIX from all the ratings. Request granted. Do it.

C-MATRIX, thanks for having the guts to post here, but I think it makes no sense to try and cover your cheating... if you admitted you cheat, it would be hell of easier.

As for your footnote about the Trojan... hehe... if you admit training is over, you must well know of those "other methods" .

	24-05-2002 13:48									#39
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Solver - get well soon! Hope it is nothing serious? The Alzheimers hasn't flared up again has it?

I wish I could clinicly dissect B.S. posts like Blackice can... Shouldn't people get trophies for stuff like that??

A warning to all - The first time I Played C-Matrix was on-line ) he requested to play my in PBEM - I refused, and offered an on - line game instead - Firstly he is an extremely poor player, but WORSE, by turn 30 he was taking almost AN HOUR for a turn - and this was with a one settler start - I questioned him about it, and he said he was considering his options...as I pointed out to another player, a trip to the dentist would have been less painful, and watching paint dry would have filled me with more joy and enthusiasm...

Blackice has a suspicion he is another player - I have a feeling that may be true- It would be easier enough to prove... Yeh Ice I saw the same as you did - certain unintentional clues... and if that is the case, it is yet more of the same - And this guy we are talking about could be considred serious bad news.... He could have possibly caused me some personal damage by betraying a trust many months ago- Could have almost considered Fraud what he had done ....

	24-05-2002 17:04									#40
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Thanks Gav, and I should be back to full shape in some week (hope so).

Uhmm, as for C-MATRIX being another player... I surely hope not on Apolyton. In any case, he currently has no Double Login here, and any attempts of him to create one will be punished.

	24-05-2002 20:09									#41
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Thus spake Solver !

	24-05-2002 21:20									#42
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quote: Originally posted by jpww Easy Quinns... C-Matrix doesn't owe anybody an explanation; I'm surprised he replied at all !! If I were the moderator of this forum, I'd rather deal with this issue in private. BTW, I mean no harm to Gav. He knows I'm joking. Who would want to see him wearing midriffs after all

He surely doesn't owe anybody an explanation but I disagree about keeping it in private.

As a regular PBEM player (not that regular lately ) I claim the right to know if there is a cheater among us therefore to avoid any unpleasant surprise by playing with him/her and waste even lot of months on a game that I might lose on a cheater.

Now I don't know if the guy is a cheater or not but I know quite well Garry and Ice and somehow I trust them
At list more than a half explanation

	24-05-2002 22:02									#43
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The Background Keygen was that I moderated game, reported my findings privately- asked for advice and followed the advice and posted accordingly - The saves (about a megabyte zipped) are available to anyone - everyone that has seen them draws only one conclusion.

Trust me when I say that I would have rather discovered nothing other than a player with great ability - but having played this person online - I knew that was not the case to start with.

	25-05-2002 01:49									#44
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Although the saves that Gav sent me help corroborate his accusations, I'm still of the opinion that bashing or flaming a player doesn't attract good karma to this forum.

	25-05-2002 06:03									#45
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Jp this was handled in private as always. Then it mutated to the forums to expose the cheat. That is the only way to keep it clean here. Of all people you should know that. How about next time we all keep it quite but direct the player to play you only?

Seriously if you have a better idea share it, if it is your continued effort to create disent and critisism stiffle it.

	25-05-2002 11:51									#46
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quote: Originally posted by jpww Although the saves that Gav sent me help corroborate his accusations, I'm still of the opinion that bashing or flaming a player doesn't attract good karma to this forum.

I agree. We can always reveal cheaters without flames

	25-05-2002 16:04									#47
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True

	26-05-2002 05:12									#48
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HeHe... OK... Let's get busy and play some turns!!