01-05-2001 02:31									#1
	Corporations Suffering from ads?

Firaxis anounced it is considering including them as independent actors in the end game. I think this is an excellent idea (though I would of course prefer more civs per game ).

What are your thoughts on the issue?

Firaxis, how is this going to be implemented?

	01-05-2001 12:45									#2
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I think it adds more realism and complexity to the game. It's a welcomed inclusion!

	01-05-2001 14:54									#3
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Maybe this will be almost like adding new civ at the end game........ looking forward to see how they implant it.

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	03-05-2001 09:45									#4
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I wonder whether they will use Youngson's ideas on this issue?

	02-05-2001 22:25									#5
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Yeah, using corporations would add excitement for late-game perfectionists and other non-warmongers. It would provide a way to "expand" your empire not by conquering cities, but by moving corporate branches into foreign cities and draining their resources. And not in the cheesy Call to Power way, where guys in desks have to slog their way across swamps to get to the enemy. And it would provide a more realistic form of conflict between modern democratic nations.

And it sounds like the designers are still in the process of refining the game, so there's still time to add this feature. What happened to that old Youngsun thread, anyway?

	02-05-2001 22:49									#6
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I'm guessing that these would represent multi nationals?

How would you win? By owning the most stock?

	02-05-2001 23:34									#7
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Maybe by acquiring at least 51% of the resources of every city on the planet?

Actually, I'd rather not have corporations play directly into one of the victory strategies. There may be an economic victory path, having something to do with the Resource system, or maybe it will just be like in SMAC, where you effectively save up enough money to "bribe" every city on the planet. But corporations would just be a way to expand without necessarily going to war. And other civs could use the same strategy against you.

	02-05-2001 23:37									#8
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No, the corporations are independent, I think the economic victory is sort of allying with the MNCs to take control of the resources, or to take over all markets, or something. But I think you'd have little if any control over them

	03-05-2001 15:53									#11
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Corporations in?

Finally, Firaxis has recognised the importance of the role of corporations throughout the history. I wouldn't dream of Firaxis using my ideas word by word but hope at least some of the concepts are used.


[This message has been edited by Youngsun (edited May 03, 2001).]

	05-05-2001 02:09									#13
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Corporations in? Boy am I excited!!!!

quote: I wonder whether they will use Youngson's ideas on this issue?

They definitely should!

quote: They didn't say what corporations will do. If they are using Youngson's ideas they will provide luxuries and hence be beneficial, but might become too powerful in the process

If you mean countries that possess corporations will become to powerful, I disagree. Currently, the U.S. and Western thought dominates the world. The reason in my opinion is economic might created by major corporations in the U.S. and Europe. Civ III should replicate these corporations and it appears Firaxis is going to try.

If you mean corporations will become too powerful, I would not worry. First corporations will not be able to build armies, conduct foreign policy, etc so you will not have to compete with them. Second, corporations should have some impact on your countries policies. In the U.S. where politicians do anything for a campaign contribution our policies are altered by the richest and the most powerful. In Civ III I would love for me to have to go head to head to corporate powers of the breed of Bill Gates or Ted Turner.

	05-05-2001 03:21									#14
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hmm, Interesting how would it work. It's hard to imagine Corporation to keep a strong military force. What would stop one country from taking over assets of a company?