10-05-2002 02:47									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Grrr Because Finns make up half of Apolyton we need Vikings?! Of course.

The finns were never vikings. While the danes and jutes conqured Britain and the Swedes founded Russia, the finns kept mostly to themselves divided in Germanic style tribes.

	10-05-2002 02:58									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai I've read somewhere that there are at least as many people in the US descending from the "refugees" that fled from hunger in the 1800s, than there are Norwegians!(from Norway, that is. I don't know how it's from the other countries)

From Sweden the tidal wave of emigration began in the mid 1840s, when the first organized emigrant groups started to arrive in New York. These farmers destined to Iowa and Illinois were followed during the period up to 1930 by almost 1.3 million countrymen. The Swedes still rank number seven among the European immigrant groups. In proportion to the population of their home countries, only the British Isles and Norway surpassed Sweden in the number of immigrants.

The effect of this exodus from Sweden reached its climax around 1910, when 1.4 million Swedish first and second generation immigrants were listed as living in the U.S. Compare this to Sweden's population at the time: 5.5 million. Roughly one fifth of all Swedes had their homes in America right before World War I !

quote: I really like the idea of this "Swordsman". Maybe it could be called something like "berserker"(that's the norwegian name, I don't know the english counterpart...)?

Berzerker

	10-05-2002 15:26									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X Berzerker

Near enough then!

	11-05-2002 04:03									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Admiral PJ I think they should be called Scandinavians or Swedish/Danish, Vikings makes them sound barbaric, they seemed to become more of a civilisation when they split up.. also the Russians were made up from Vikings so they should be separated out I think. Vikings might be nice though, but just not so historic.

As Andrew_Jay said, the PC name is Norse. I'm not quite sure what you mean by

quote: the Russians were made up from Vikings so they should be separated out I think.

	11-05-2002 17:43									#35
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quote: Originally posted by nationalist If they would add Maritime, the English should be Commercial and Maritime. The Maritime rait should come with Mapmaking as its free advance. Its primary bonus should be cheaper naval units and harbors, its secondary trait should be an extra movement point for all ships.

Would be too powerful, mapmaking is too far down the tech tree. English already have the best techs for a naval civ (pottery and mapmaking).

	11-05-2002 17:45									#36
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Darkworld Ark:

The first Russian 'nation' was founded by exploring Vikings, based around Kiev I think.

	11-05-2002 19:31									#37
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But then the Russians got conqueored by the Mongols and stuff got weird. So I'd say they are plenty removed from the Norse.

(That's sad, I play Civ and can't spell "conqueored" correctly, at least it doesn't look like I can)

	12-05-2002 08:21									#38
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quote: Originally posted by DrFell Darkworld Ark: The first Russian 'nation' was founded by exploring Vikings, based around Kiev I think.

That may be true, but the Japanese originaly came from Korea or China, & they seem to be different civs.

	13-05-2002 00:07									#39
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I wonder if having Maritime make all units anphibous would be to powerful?

	13-05-2002 03:28									#40
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much too powerful Darworld
Imagine Tanks or Modern Armour rolling off a boat to attack you, or even bowmen and knights and the such.