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King Richard
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Oslo, Norway
Apr 2001
time: 06:12
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Now that we know there will be 24 minor wonders and 12 major wonder, we can assume the following: There are four ages in civ3 (confirmed), every age will have 9 wonders, 3 of these will be major ones. We know that all the wonders from civ2 is still in. Meaning that every age will have 2 more wonders. We know that the following wonders will be in: Great Canal, Internet, Strategic Defence Initiative (what is this??? Is it the pentagon seen in the screenshots???). We can also see a big temple in the screenshots. This must clearly be the temple of Artemis at Ephesus (classical wonder). We've also seen the tower of Babel, which is a "runner-up" for beeing one of the classical wonders of the world. If this isn't going to be a classical wonder in civ 3, one of the following will be: Mausoleum at Halicarnassus, Statue of Zeus at Olympia, Stonehenge or the Sphinx. In addition to the Internet wonder, I think/hope that the International Space Station will be the second new modern wonder, I'm not sure of the third... When it comes to the additional two ages I haven't really thought about which wonders should be in, but the East-India company could be one, so could the Taj Mahal.
The major wonders in the ancient world: Great Wall, Pyramids and Great Library (there were a lot of pyramids in Egypt, Mesoamerica and Asia, but I think Firaxis will go for the three most difficult wonders to construct).
The major wonders in the modern world: United Nations, International Space Station and one more that I haven't figured out yet...
Any suggestions on the rest???
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Adm.Naismith
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Milano - Italy
Oct 1999
time: 06:12
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quote:
Originally posted by Zanzin on 05-02-2001 07:08 AM
This actually makes a lot of sense - it's kind of like a bonus wonder if you're way out in front...which, in real life, the US is (I know, it's the International space station, but we'd be kidding ourselves if we didn't admit that without America the ISS wouldn't happen)
[This message has been edited by Zanzin (edited May 02, 2001).]
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Sorry, but as long as I can smile for the joke, I really think you aren't fair: ISS has a lot of sense, much more that the Run to the Moon back to '60 and Kennedy President.
The problem is ISS it's so expensive that USA cannot afford to build it by themselves alone: they sure have all the tech, but can't spend all that money without some large budget hole. Same for former USSR (don't forget they kept the MIR alive, still 10 years more after the US Skylab fell of  so they know something about space).
Europe and Japan have most of tech but not enough money to start alone, so common effort is inevitable. I think this is a lesson we should have applied to the game race to build Alpha Centauri spaceship (named Unity, according to SMAC, and that's a very revealing name, isn't it? ).
I'll like to see the building of the Space Ship as an effort so great that you need to involve others Civ, and thid is out of ordinary allegiance: we all know Russia isn't anymore the worst USA enemy, but I bet isn' exactly a full ally like a SMAC Pact sense. 
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:12
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quote:
Originally posted by Zanzin on 05-02-2001 07:08 AM
This actually makes a lot of sense - it's kind of like a bonus wonder if you're way out in front...which, in real life, the US is (I know, it's the International space station, but we'd be kidding ourselves if we didn't admit that without America the ISS wouldn't happen)
[This message has been edited by Zanzin (edited May 02, 2001).]
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Ok, if you're a demo, and have had a close contest for power with a commie, and you have won (peacefully) and the other guy has gone demo, and you are now easily Supreme, but he has lots of "einsteins" who specialized in military tech (see einstein specialization rules) and you think they might be tempted to design more weapons, or go off and work for fundie regimes which are dying to get rocketry, you build ISS and this provides employment to said einsteins.
Unfortunately i dont think ISS is being used to the max in this regard  .
LOTM
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Admiral PJ
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Southeast England , UK
Dec 2000
time: 05:12
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Well womans suffrage might not be a wonder that would need upkeep, though it could if its seen as the giving(theres a better word for it) of the vote to the general population.. and could cost money to pay for the Elections, getting woman voted and organising voting booths for everyone..
Though I would too prefer a SMACish sociology screen, where Womans Vote
would be more advanced.. maybe creating less police control powers (-1 on policing- some negative value would be interesting anyway, though i'm for democracy generally ) but increasing efficiency and makign production/money creation greater.. where woman and the poor become more involved with society, all working.
I really think it should stay a minor wonder or even major, then afterwards you can choose thise sociology choice? its too important to be a mere sociological choice.
Proportional Democracy is better than the current form most elections use, this should be put in civ3.. doubling the effect of womans suffrage perhaps, giving a bonus to the economy and happiness? maybe not that much of a bonus..
I also hope the game end will be extended, otherwise slow games you don't always get all the techs and can't conquer everyone (you could probably do the ics method to win well to 2020 but thats not the only way to win)
As you can see from the length, now quantity of posts i prefer the lazy expansioin route
Admiral Pete
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02-05-2001 02:39
Does it mean... 
has been described extensively in another thread (the name of which I cannot remember), so I am not going to restate it here.
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