11-05-2002 10:25									#1
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You might remember that idea I had not too long ago: when your empire got too big, it would split into bloody civil war.

Well, I now admit that I was wrong. Its a bad idea.

I've been involved in a long war. The Macidonians (evil treatybreakers that they were) were driven from the seas after much effort. Their island was taken, their cities destroyed, my rule cast over them.

To the east, the Babalonians have been driven back. My abolitionists were freeing slaves, my armys ready to cross the boarder. Finally, I took a key choke city and gave it to my longtime allies, the Egyptians, in exchange for a trade agreement. The babalonians are checked, the egyptians in my back pocket.

The empire is at peace. I've dropped the readyness of the armies, raised the wages, dropped the work week, and am instituting civic projects all over the empire.

Just what I would need right now is for half the cities to go over to the Rebels. And I can think of ABSOLUTLY nothing I would like less than to HAVE TO TAKE THOSE CITIES ALL OVER AGAIN. Yeah, I fought over mountain ranges and across seas. The last thing I want to do is repeat the process a second time.

So it was a dumb idea - I see that now.

However, I still think that the possibiltiy is there of combining your most angry enemies into bigger enemies as you pull ahead - a NATO sort of thing. That would unify their research and keep them viable in the game as your empire takes shape.

Just my two cents.

	12-05-2002 00:28									#2
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I still like the idea of civil war...but not just because of empire size. I think that it should be tied to happines. To an extent it already is, IIRC in CTP1 if a city was to unhappy it would become a barbarian city. I've never seen this happen in CTP2, I haven't let my people get pissed enough I guess.
Anyway, I think that if a large city is unhappy enough it should have a chance of breaking away from the original Civ, and another percent chance of bringing some of the closest cities with it. Thus creating a brand new civ(not just barbarian). This would be a fairly good model of a civil war IMHO.

	12-05-2002 01:56									#3
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quote: Originally posted by centrifuge I still like the idea of civil war...but not just because of empire size. I think that it should be tied to happines. To an extent it already is, IIRC in CTP1 if a city was to unhappy it would become a barbarian city. I've never seen this happen in CTP2, I haven't let my people get pissed enough I guess.

You guessed right in an unmodded game the revolution level is a happiness of 60. I think Wes and Dave increased it to 65. And yes if your happiness drops under this level your city will become Barbarian.

quote: Originally posted by centrifuge Anyway, I think that if a large city is unhappy enough it should have a chance of breaking away from the original Civ, and another percent chance of bringing some of the closest cities with it. Thus creating a brand new civ(not just barbarian). This would be a fairly good model of a civil war IMHO.

Actual the new Civ creation feature is already in CTP1 and CTP2 just set MaxPlayers in userprofile.txt higher than NumPlayers and these cities will form new Civs.

So in order to respond to the initial post the in two parts splitting feature is already in, if you go to much over the city limit than you have a huge problem.

-Martin

	12-05-2002 13:01									#4
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Excellant Martin, Thanks for the info.

	13-05-2002 16:59									#5
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yes why can't it be one cive all your city brake away to join

	13-05-2002 18:21									#6
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I still like the idea of one city revolting influence some too. Maybe a minus 4-10 penalty in the neighbor cities.
It isnt random and it is the player fault (he left the first city rvolt didnt he).

	13-05-2002 20:34									#7
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could make the recapture of a revolting city harder if they have 3 or 4

	13-05-2002 21:04									#8
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I would agree on this idea - It seems that it might make people a little more reluctant to have thier entire empire poised on riot. In fact, if you couple this to a random event that drops (for a turn) all city morale by 1-4 points, you would really have an interesting game.

	13-05-2002 22:45									#9
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Do you guys know how to implement this? I'd do it myself, but well, at present I'm quite handicapped with SLIC

	14-05-2002 12:30									#10
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your handicapped at SLIC well I am handicapped with my exams at the moment and my pic modifier program I am writing but after I get rid of all that burden on the 10 of next month I may be able to give it a shot