12-05-2002 12:40									#1
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Does anyone else think that having to pay support costs for workers really sucks?

	12-05-2002 13:01									#2
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No, not really. Whats your major gripe/problem with having to pay?

	12-05-2002 13:04									#3
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 Does anyone else think that having to pay support costs for workers really sucks?

but the way to get around this is by grabbing other civs workers, then feeding yours back into cities.

and no, I don't think that paying for the native's upkeep sucks, since they are units, and they are actually doing more work than the garrisons ever do. don't they deserve pay for their hard work?

	12-05-2002 13:17									#4
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They deserve pay. They work twice as fast as captured workers, so theres gotta be a trade-off for using them.

	12-05-2002 13:58									#5
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See, I always thought that the reason for the support costs was to make you think twice about having a huge army, not thinking twice about improving the terain.

Last edited by zulu9812 on 12-05-2002 at 17:44

	12-05-2002 17:00									#6
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I don't really see why native workers should/would NOT be paid...

	12-05-2002 17:02									#7
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Commies are everywhere!

	12-05-2002 17:45									#8
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If shields spent to build the unit represent equipping it (like giving it weapons and stuff), and if gold upkeep costs represent feeding and maintaining it ... then it makes sense to me that an entire unit of population costs as much to feed and maintain as a relatively small unit of troops. Maybe they should even cost more.

Just how I see it though.

	12-05-2002 20:11									#9
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I actually think that the building cost for workers are a little bit to low. 20 or maybe even 30 shields might be more accurate. And no, I defenitly donīt think itīs bad to pay for workers, without them your empire wouldnīt be much worth. It takes just a few turns to build a road, and with the commerce from that road you pay the upkeep for your workers really fast.

	12-05-2002 22:51									#10
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 Does anyone else think that having to pay support costs for workers really sucks?

hi ,

you can change that in the editor , .....or change government , ....

have a nice day

	12-05-2002 22:59									#11
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i know it's possible to alter support costs in the editor under governments, but is it possible to exempt workers and settlers from supoort costs, but keep support costs for military units?

	12-05-2002 23:11									#12
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 i know it's possible to alter support costs in the editor under governments, but is it possible to exempt workers and settlers from supoort costs, but keep support costs for military units?

hi ,

yep , ..... and you can even give a population cost to a unit , ....

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	12-05-2002 23:17									#13
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how? I looked in the editor; i can change the support costs in the editor under governments, but i can't find anything about making specific units exempt

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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 how? I looked in the editor; i can change the support costs in the editor under governments, but i can't find anything about making specific units exempt

hi ,

units - editor

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	12-05-2002 23:29									#15
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i can see how to give a population cost in units, but not making it exempt from support costs. Is it a unit ability (the 'unused' flag perhaps)?

	12-05-2002 23:51									#16
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 Does anyone else think that having to pay support costs for workers really sucks?

you dont pay for slaves. you stupid builders suck anyway

	13-05-2002 01:13									#17
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 i can see how to give a population cost in units, but not making it exempt from support costs. Is it a unit ability (the 'unused' flag perhaps)?

The "unused" flag is for "mounted unit", and was removed in 1.21 'cause it was not used anywhere.
You can't change to support cost on a unit-per-unit basis. Panag is probably simply mixing the support cost with the production cost.

	13-05-2002 02:22									#18
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ah right, thx anyway

	13-05-2002 02:58									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Akka le Vil The "unused" flag is for "mounted unit", and was removed in 1.21 'cause it was not used anywhere. You can't change to support cost on a unit-per-unit basis. Panag is probably simply mixing the support cost with the production cost.

hi ,

well checked it , we should ask firaxis to put in a screen with units so that one unit cost's 1 gold an an other 2 a turn , .....

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	13-05-2002 08:36									#20
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I think you should, cause its not just paying wages, its also providing the eqiupment and such for the workers. Those picks and shovels don't grow on trees you know. :P Course, this can all be solved through waiting for one of your neighbors to get big citys, then razing them. If ya don't wanna kill him, just take out a few size 10+ citys, should give ya a decent workforce.

	13-05-2002 08:58									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Akka le Vil The "unused" flag is for "mounted unit", and was removed in 1.21 'cause it was not used anywhere. You can't change to support cost on a unit-per-unit basis. Panag is probably simply mixing the support cost with the production cost.

right. so far we can't. i hope we can soon though. would be great to have, if not in patch, then in PTW.

	13-05-2002 09:15									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Captain right. so far we can't. i hope we can soon though. would be great to have, if not in patch, then in PTW.

hi ,

maybe the best to ask for would be on / off in the editor

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	13-05-2002 09:23									#23
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 Does anyone else think that having to pay support costs for workers really sucks?

Personally, I think the AI cheating sucks.

	13-05-2002 09:33									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Personally, I think the AI cheating sucks.

hi ,

wait , hope and say a prayer , ......

they are also learning just now how it works , .......

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