15-05-2002 01:59									#31
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So you claim.

	15-05-2002 05:29									#32
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I think porn is good. Lack of sex is bad though. The longer I go without sex the more porn I look at. It isn't healthy.

	15-05-2002 06:49									#33
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Porn has kept me sane... *nods seriously*


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	15-05-2002 06:54									#34
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quote: Its supporters point to places such as Scandinavia and Japan, where liberal attitudes to pornography go hand in hand with low rates of sexual crime against women

Well, perhaps it's just an indication of how low our society is in that we NEED porn to stop us from raping to fulfil our desires.

	15-05-2002 14:34									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I think porn is good. Lack of sex is bad though. The longer I go without sex the more porn I look at. It isn't healthy.

I heard THAT, Dissident.

	15-05-2002 15:38									#36
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I don't like to look at porn myself, but I'm not dead-set against its existance either. My reasons for not indulging in it myself are my own, and have nothing to do with religion of any sort.

How can it be evil, as certain religious groups say? So long as the person posing gave the cameraman permission to photograph/film them, or they chose to work at their strip club, then nobody is being hurt by it.

Better that a guy masturbate while looking at porn than to be out in some dark alley waiting to 'pounce' on the first woman to pass by.

	15-05-2002 15:59									#37
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Japan low sex crime.. yes. I suppose schoolgirls being molested in cramped public transportation and this being considered normal is not an offense

Stop watching racist Charles Bronson movies.

	15-05-2002 16:13									#38
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There's also another sick form of Japanese porn no one has commented on. I cannot acknowledge if I seen such porn of course . Sick stuff- not that I have seen it .

Such filth. It is so degrading I cannot even fathom why one would do such a thing. Strange world we live in. Women in that country still have some problems. I think even in the U.S. women are coerced into going into porn. Terribble. Do they have free will? Well they should. But lack of self esteem makes things worse. This will only change as society changes and respects women more than they do now. Whether this will happen or not I do not know.

	15-05-2002 18:47									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Anunikoba Its funny how you point out ultra-conservative Christianity, when in fact, it is not the only religion that condemns pornography. Freudian slip?

Let's also not forget that some of the most vocal critics of pornography are radical feminists who can hardly be considered ultra-conservative Christians.

Then there is Dr. Laura, who is definitely Jewish.

There are Muslim countries where distributing pornography is a capital crime.

	15-05-2002 21:11									#40
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Porn is considered bad because women are portrayed as sexual objects. They are dehumanised, lets put it that way.

	15-05-2002 21:18									#41
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And men are in porno too, so it's ok. I'm very in favor of women's rights and I adhere to a number of pro-female ideas that have alienated me from most other men... but the fact is that there is nothing wrong with pornography. We all have urges that need to be satisfied, and if it is objectifying women with pictures and videos, it is still objectifying them if we imagine them in our heads. Only in our heads, they have not been filmed or photographed some place else... and why shouldn't they be if they consent to it?

	15-05-2002 21:19									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Porn is considered bad because women are portrayed as sexual objects. They are dehumanised, lets put it that way.

Right, yet this is "good for society"?

	15-05-2002 21:25									#43
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you all sound as porn is allgood and LEGAL and that it does not expolit women.

after the collapse of communism in eastern europe the sex trade going on and the exploitation of women is unbelievable.

hurray for the new world order.

just a bunch of pimps.

	15-05-2002 21:27									#44
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Well, when there are women being forced into the trade or at the very least being "pressured" to do things they do not really wish to do, that that is different.

But nobody is putting a gun to the head of a Playboy model... so if I choose to take the mag with me into the bathroom, I don't see myself as a villain.

	15-05-2002 21:28									#45
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quote: Porn is considered bad because women are portrayed as sexual objects

And what are men portrayed as?

	15-05-2002 21:31									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Right, yet this is "good for society"?

No, I didn't say that. I think porn is bad.

	15-05-2002 21:34									#47
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a rich girl would do porn because she likes it
a poor maybe because she is in need of money and can't see better

	15-05-2002 21:34									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Dom Pedro II We all have urges that need to be satisfied, and if it is objectifying women with pictures and videos, it is still objectifying them if we imagine them in our heads. Only in our heads, they have not been filmed or photographed some place else... and why shouldn't they be if they consent to it?

You're objectifying women because you have been watching porn, which makes you think it's an alright thing to do. You have been desensitised to women being sexual objects.

	15-05-2002 21:37									#49
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I agree. And by that same token, women who watch porn are objectifying men.

Dave

	15-05-2002 21:38									#50
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quote: Originally posted by DetroitDave And what are men portrayed as?

Lucky bastards? :/

	15-05-2002 21:40									#51
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	15-05-2002 21:40									#52
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I'm sorry, but humans are intrinsically sexual beings. There's nothing unnatural about a naked women, or watching people have sex, providing that they've given their consent for those pictures, or video, or whatever, to be taken. No-one's being made an "object" of, no-one is being exploited, and if you're offended by it, then just don't ****ing read it!

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quote: Originally posted by DetroitDave I agree. And by that same token, women who watch porn are objectifying men. Dave

Probably not, since the roles of women and men in porography are not reversable. Men, big, hairy, out to conquer (sounds like Urg the caveman ), and women are the ones to be conquered.

	15-05-2002 21:42									#54
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society has a duty to ensure that men and women are not exploited in any way.

	15-05-2002 21:44									#55
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I don't think that I have found objectifying women as acceptable at all... I see guys in the hallways groping girls, and it makes me absolutely sick. I, in fact, am entirely opposed to felettio because I see it as a woman "servicing" a man, and I don't like it. I would never insist that my girlfriend does it, and I don't like it that other guys do. I have had friends who have wanted to get girls drunk so they could do that... THAT is exploitation. THAT is objectifying women.

But I submit my earlier statement : How is mentally visualizing women or even seeing a woman who is beautiful or "hot" and being attracted to her any different than watching porno?

	15-05-2002 21:45									#56
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UR : I think you're being sexist... you're setting a double standard that women who enjoy porno are NOT objectifying men just because their women.

	15-05-2002 21:47									#57
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quote: Probably not, since the roles of women and men in porography are not reversable.

Really? Since when? Im sure there's plenty of porn out depicting dominatrices enslaving men and the like. And what about men's gay porn? Does that entail an intrinsically exploitative relation? Im not putting you on. Im curious to know

Dave

	15-05-2002 21:50									#58
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All kinds of porn objectify both men and women. Since men watch more porn, there is more female objectification. That's what porn is supposed to be. Just plain sex, not romance, not a relationship, just doing the NASTY!

Plus, advertising objectifies women a lot more than porn. Where's the outcry towards advertising?

	15-05-2002 21:50									#59
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quote: Really? Since when? Im sure there's plenty of porn out depicting dominatrices enslaving men and the like. And what about men's gay porn? Does that entail an intrinsically exploitative relation? Im not putting you on. Im curious to know

I think he ment that women don't watch porn.

	15-05-2002 21:54									#60
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Sava, this is my point. Watching sex doesn't make you objectify women. Sava is right as well because advertising DOES objectify women (and men) as well.

If we do away with porn, we have to do away with Britney Spears and every other female sex object in the entertainment world. In fact, if we were to do this on the basis of principle, we'd have to have all women entirely clothed so that we are not enticed by only their physical appearance... hmm, that sounds strangely familiar... like another society that I can't quite put my finger on....