15-05-2002 21:55									#61
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Women watch porn!! I can think of a dozen girls that I know personally off the top of my head that watch porno.

	15-05-2002 21:57									#62
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Right.. and they probably dont go to strip clubs or read erotic novels, either.


Dave

	17-05-2002 01:39									#63
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I appreciate pornography --- I have a hot guy as my monitor's wallpaper right now.

But when viewers of pornography begin to see the portrayed naked men or women as sexual objects, then it can become harmful.

	17-05-2002 01:49									#64
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But when viewers of pornography begin to see the portrayed naked men or women as sexual objects, then it can become harmful.

Didn't you tell me that your sexuality was something you were born with, as opposed to a reflection of your environment? Then there's no harm in this.

	17-05-2002 01:54									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Monk But when viewers of pornography begin to see the portrayed naked men or women as sexual objects, then it can become harmful. Didn't you tell me that your sexuality was something you were born with, as opposed to a reflection of your environment? Then there's no harm in this.

What does theories of sexual orientation development have to do with my comment on pornography??


BTW --- I am reconsidering the gene theory as the exclusive factor in sexual orientation development.

	17-05-2002 01:57									#66
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What does theories of sexual orientation development have to do with my comment on pornography??

Your comment on pornography is a claim your sexuality undergoes constant change. If you your perceptions of "sex objects" and stuff like that can change, then your sexual orientation can't be "written-in-stone" either.

	17-05-2002 01:58									#67
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Boddingtons is good for society.


eww.....gay porn talk. Must...leave.....thread..mind may be soiled...

	17-05-2002 02:01									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Monk What does theories of sexual orientation development have to do with my comment on pornography?? Your comment on pornography is a claim your sexuality undergoes constant change. If you your perceptions of "sex objects" and stuff like that can change, then your sexual orientation can't be "written-in-stone" either.

huh??

I'm gay -- that can never be changed.

I'm gay and I enjoy viewing pornography -- that is something that can be changed.


What are you smoking?

	17-05-2002 02:04									#69
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I think objectification is inherent in one's sexuality no matter whether you watch porn or not. We notice attractive people all the time in our daily life. We're not admiring them for their intellectual savvy are we?

DAve

	17-05-2002 02:05									#70
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I'm smoking Marlboro and occasionally Marlboro Lights, but I've run out tonight (edit - ran out?)and the 7-eleven is a hell of a long way to drive by bike! That's the very reason I'm sitting here all alone in the dark trying to figure out which parts of your sexuality you think can change and which ones can't.

	17-05-2002 02:09									#71
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Porn is neither good nor bad. It offends some. It pleases others. Because it does offends some, it should not be "public." But a society that bans even private "porn," is a society that is not free.

Freedom is the real issue here.

Ned

Last edited by Ned on 17-05-2002 at 03:00

	17-05-2002 02:12									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Monk I'm smoking Marlboro and occasionally Marlboro Lights, but I've run out tonight (edit - ran out?)and the 7-eleven is a hell of a long way to drive by bike! That's the very reason I'm sitting here all alone in the dark trying to figure out which parts of your sexuality you think can change and which ones can't.

If I choose to do so, I can submit myself to brainwashing from a "therapy" group that seeks to "change" a person's sexual orientation.

Now, if I live the rest of my life and marry a woman, I will still always be gay -- it's just that my behavior has changed as the result of the brainwashing, exploitation, and psychological manipulation of this so-called "therapy" group.

So, back to pornography --- I will always be gay -- whether or not I enjoy viewing pornography.

	17-05-2002 02:17									#73
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fun just out of curouisity, you ever slept with a woman? most gay people on a MSNBC poll I saw said yes, but they didnt enjoy it. Just curouis.

	17-05-2002 02:21									#74
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Porn is good. Objectification of womyn talk is BS. As said before, we objectify womyn/men whatever, when we walk down the street. Porn does change that, it simply uses that.

(And yes, I used the 'womyn' spelling to piss people off )

	17-05-2002 02:21									#75
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Have straight women who are my friends, but no -- never slept with a woman.

But, anyway, back to pornography. Anymore questions from Monk, I will simply answer via private messages.

	17-05-2002 03:13									#76
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Just a question, but does anyone know what the Church's position was on prostitution in the late Roman Empire. This is some of an equivalent issue. I know Roman law made it a criminal act for a married man to sleep with a "virtuous" woman, but not so if he slept with prostitute. I know of no legal prohibition against prostitution at any time.

And yet, we know the Church, after Theodosius, was the state religion - with the active support of the Emperors.

So, again, what was the position of the Church then?

Ned