18-05-2002 22:53									#1
	Should non-gamers be second class citizens at Poly? Increase the size of your Attachments

Markos and Dan often comments on how this is a gamesite first and foremost.

But it seems that a lot of the traffic is in the Off Topic. And even in the other forums, a lot of the fun is intereacting socially and not really 100% game related.

Should non-gamers be second class citizens? I mean, I'm pretty sick of Civ2, but I like the OT. And wrt to other games, it's pretty much the business aspects that interest me far more than strategies for playing.

I guess I like having the game site as a front end to give the community some direction and to draw people in. But the end result is more fun, than the specific game stuff...

(I was going to try to pad this out a little more and turn it into a column subject...but I couldn't make it long enough...anyway...this is a serious subject for discussion...oh yeah...+1!)

	19-05-2002 00:33									#2
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the Civ MPers are the 2nd class citizens, OTers have to be third class

	19-05-2002 01:33									#3
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How can the Oters be second class when they have no class to begin with?

Coming to a game site when you don't play games is lame.

	19-05-2002 01:47									#4
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I came hear when I was a gamer. (1 game...Civ).

And why should it just be a game site? The OT actually has some pretty good discussion. Better than CivFanatics...

	19-05-2002 03:47									#5
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Obviously most of the people that come here are gamers. But I despise the "people" that aren´t gamers. Not just on Apolyton. I think we should round up all the non-gamers in the world and put them in prison camps. Then we can throw left-overs to them and occasionally poke them with sharp sticks through the barbed wire.

	19-05-2002 05:10									#6
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The term "second class" does not really apply here. This site is built, maintained and frequented by gamers for gamers. Non-gamers are welcome to visit the site as often as they wish, and the Off-Topic forum is a perfect avenue for non-gaming discussions with gamers and non-gamers alike. Sometimes predominately non-gamers will discuss gaming matters, and certainly the reverse is true.

Will we go out of our way to make non-gamers welcome by offering additional services than the Off-Topic forum that cater primarily to non-gaming interests (and the chat room could be used for this purpose as well, not that that is what it is intended for)? The answer is no. However, will we go out of our way to make non-gamers unwelcome? Absolutely not.

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	19-05-2002 08:17									#7
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quote: I think we should round up all the non-gamers in the world and put them in prison camps. Then we can throw left-overs to them and occasionally poke them with sharp sticks through the barbed wire.

quote: Absolutely not.

We could still do this just to GP though?


There isn't really a distinction between gamers and non-gamers here though, besides postcount in the OT. If a primarily OT person were to make a decent comment about a game, that would be accepted, and not generally ignored because it was from "that dirty OT person".

Question for GP: If you're not a gamer, what do you do in your free time besides Apolyton? Just curious.

	19-05-2002 08:55									#8
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internet bridge

	19-05-2002 09:04									#9
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That makes you a gamer then. Bridge is a game, yes?

	19-05-2002 09:31									#10
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Nah...it's not a computer game. Just a card game...

Gamers play video games.

	19-05-2002 09:49									#11
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Gamers are mostly odd or crazy. If you're odd and crazy, you'll fit in.

S'matter? AH getting under you're skin?

I think it's a little odd that someone who has been around since day 1 would have to wonder. See, you're odd.

	19-05-2002 09:56									#12
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no...AH doesn't get to me. I've messed with him a lot more than he ahs with me. I like playing the wounded innocent.

Plus it is kinda interesting. I like Poly. But computer games. I can do without. I never buy any...

	19-05-2002 10:30									#13
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CLASS WARRRRRR. <b>WORKERS OF APOLYTON UNITE.</b>

	19-05-2002 12:12									#14
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX CLASS WARRRRRR. <b>WORKERS OF APOLYTON UNITE.</b>

YES! We demand profit sharing on all Apolyton merchandise!


How can you distinguish between the gamers and non-gamers?

	19-05-2002 15:19									#15
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I play bridge - quite seriously in the past - but I'm a gamer! it doesn't matter whether it uses cards, board and dice, small figurines, computers, networks, tiles or any other bizarre equipment ...
Of course all non-gamers should be rounded up and poked with sharp sticks - I thought that was generally acknowledged...

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	19-05-2002 16:21									#16
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This is a Game-Site!!!

Always wondered what those other threads were about.

	19-05-2002 17:54									#17
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GP, you wouldn't happen to play internet poker as well? I'd love to go a couple of hands against you at Paradise Poker.

Anyway, I'd say that while the general profile of this site attracts a certain kind of customer that I find interesting to debate with - fairly informed, mostly intelligent ppl that play strat games, most of the real meat between major releases happens in OT. I don't see the problem with that.

	19-05-2002 18:03									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns quote: I think we should round up all the non-gamers in the world and put them in prison camps. Then we can throw left-overs to them and occasionally poke them with sharp sticks through the barbed wire. quote: Absolutely not. We could still do this just to GP though?

That would be nice. And I can think of a few others that we could hunt down and lock up as well.

	19-05-2002 18:04									#19
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UberKrux: What´s up with the nazi skull?

	19-05-2002 19:19									#20
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quote: Originally posted by moominparatrooper GP, you wouldn't happen to play internet poker as well? I'd love to go a couple of hands against you at Paradise Poker. Anyway, I'd say that while the general profile of this site attracts a certain kind of customer that I find interesting to debate with - fairly informed, mostly intelligent ppl that play strat games, most of the real meat between major releases happens in OT. I don't see the problem with that.

1. Re poker: Sure. Start a thread in other games and we can arrange a play time.

2. Very interesting. If I read between the lines enough, it's almost like you're saying the OT is better than the rest of the sight. Maybe the OTers are a class above. I like this...

	19-05-2002 19:47									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X UberKrux: What´s up with the nazi skull?

If I remember right, it's the emblem of the 3rd SS division, the "Totenkoff" (sp?), raised primarily from concentration camp guards from the algemane SS for service in the waffen SS.

	19-05-2002 20:11									#22
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Yes, I know that. I just wonder why he uses it. It makes him look a bit...well...nazi

	19-05-2002 20:16									#23
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(wrong thread)

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	19-05-2002 22:56									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X Yes, I know that. I just wonder why he uses it. It makes him look a bit...well...nazi

Well.. You'd think that would be the point

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Just wondering, GP what do you mean 'make them second-class citizens,' how would Apolyton enact that?

Give them periodic PCRS?

	20-05-2002 00:41									#25
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud Give them periodic PCRS?

Errr.. isn't that what happens anyway. Given as how OT posts don't count 'n' all.

	20-05-2002 07:22									#26
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But that isn't a PCR it's merely a holding off of posts.

... I have a feeling I should cease posting in this thread before it's closed

Final statement, on topic- OT posts should count! They are made at this site!

	20-05-2002 08:29									#27
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But then almost everyone would be deities, and everyone would start laughing at settler newbies, and then the whole site would collapse under its own weight!

Or something...

	20-05-2002 09:20									#28
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Now that I know GP is not a gamer its like he doesn't exist any more.

	20-05-2002 17:11									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Now that I know GP is not a gamer its like he doesn't exist any more.

	20-05-2002 18:11									#30
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Just wondering, in what class do whining ( ) posters, who add '+1 pc' to the end of their post, belong to?