21-05-2002 16:35									#61
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So you think they would vote to be part of Spain if they were allowed to keep their current tax system..?

	21-05-2002 16:36									#62
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quote: So you think they would vote to be part of Spain if they were allowed to keep their current tax system..?

I don't think so, but Spain would never accept that status anyway.

	21-05-2002 16:41									#63
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Well there you go then, they want to be British, so Spain can go jump

	21-05-2002 16:41									#64
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"So you think they would vote to be part of Spain if they were allowed to keep their current tax system..?"

If you read my previous post, I said they should have the same tax setup we do in the mainland UK...then we could see what the support for remaining part of the UK actually is, without any unfair biases.

In fact I would be curious to see how strong the support would be if we said that after a referendum they would be taxed normally as part of the UK, but Spain would keep the current tax haven status...I bet you most of the greedy sods living there would suddenly become very Spanish indeed.

	21-05-2002 16:45									#65
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Very possibly, but as Jasev said, Spain wouldn't accept that. So in your scenario it would be a choice between the normal British tax system and the normal Spanish tax system.

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	21-05-2002 16:47									#66
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We could allways sell Gibraltar to Moroccon's... or Norwegians...

	21-05-2002 16:51									#67
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It isnt all about tax rates, too, is important their salaries, they earn a normal British salary but they have a Spanish lifestyle that is cheaper so why are they going to want to be make lower their lifestatus?
In fact, there are some spanish people that work in The Rock that dont want a Spanish Gibraltar becuase it would suppose that they lost their well-paid jobs so...

I believe that a referendum for Gibraltar it is the same that supporting English cause jsut because it is better for their interest, there is nothing of British nationalism, if it was in this way the independence option woudlnt be allowed

	21-05-2002 16:54									#68
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quote: It isnt all about tax rates, too, is important their salaries, they earn a normal British salary but they have a Spanish lifestyle that is cheaper so why are they going to want to be make lower their lifestatus?

But that lifestatus is only supported by their fiscal advantages. Without their fiscal status, gibraltarian economy will drop dramatically.

	21-05-2002 17:00									#69
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quote: Originally posted by jasev But that lifestatus is only supported by their fiscal advantages. Without their fiscal status, gibraltarian economy will drop dramatically.

Yes, but medium salaries in England are higher than Spanish ones, and in gibraltar rule English Economic laws.

It is curious that the option that most extendend along Blair and aznar is the less voted here, common soverignity doesnt look as a good choice

	21-05-2002 17:05									#70
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quote: Yes, but medium salaries in England are higher than Spanish ones, and in gibraltar rule English Economic laws.

What dows Gibraltar produce? Whad does gibraltar sell? Without their fiscal status, their economy would collapse. British medium salaries are higher than spanish, but that is only because british economy is stronger than spanish. Gibraltarian isn't.

	21-05-2002 17:14									#71
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Yes , yes of course, but I refered that in the fact that Gibraltar has the same financial status that UK, their laws would have a higher minimum salary that in Spain, so spanish who work here would still be interested of working in the Rock.
I give the example of Ceuta or Melilla, they have a special status but they still have most oof our financial laws.

es que no se si me explico bien en ingles jasev

	21-05-2002 17:43									#72
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Does Gibralter have no taxes? Or just lower Brit taxes?

	21-05-2002 17:57									#73
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Do a Google on "Gibraltar tax" and see how many hits for tax haven you get...

	21-05-2002 18:10									#74
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Imagine that the cost of Gibraltar were impossible to afford by the British, and the British government wanted to rid of Gibraltar.

Do they still want to offer llanitos a referendum?

"Y una polla como una olla."

Let's make referendums, Do the Spanish want Gibraltar? --> Vote.
Do the British want Gibraltar? --> Vote.
What does Gibraltar wanna be? ---> Vote.
Vote, vote, vote.

Bote y rebote

	21-05-2002 18:16									#75
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But since Gibraltar is self-supporting that argument really falls flat on it's arse.

Tolls we own a fair few tax havens, why should Gibraltar be different?

	21-05-2002 18:26									#76
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Because someone wants it back...the French haven't asked for the Channel Islands, and if they did they could have them. I don't like the havens...they should pay their way, especially since the RN has to go to all these islands to wave the flag. The least they can do is pay the fuel bill.

"Imagine that the cost of Gibraltar were impossible to afford by the British, and the British government wanted to rid of Gibraltar.

Do they still want to offer llanitos a referendum? "

Argentina wants the Falklands, and I (and most of the Brits) think it should be up to the locals to decide, so yes...they should have a referendum.

	21-05-2002 18:33									#77
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Yes I think a referendum is the best solution as well, but I think we should be concerned about the actual deal the people are presented with, and that it isn't an "accept Spanish rule or else" package.