21-05-2002 01:42									#31
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon - Even though everyone on Earth is equal, there is nowhere near a 50:50 ration of men and women on any ship.

Its a well known fact that women get space-sick more easily.

quote: The entirity of Earth is equal as one plant, so WHY are most of the people on ships WHITE AMERICANS? Wouldn't logic state that most are Asian? Homosexuals appear to have been eradicated.

The Nazi/WASP/KKK got into power on Earth in the 23rd Century and eliminated nearly all the homosexuals, non-WASPs etc. Then they were crushed by the Red Army of the other Federation members. The UFoP doesn't like to talk about it, and so doesn't mention it.

	21-05-2002 01:49									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin Its a well known fact that women get space-sick more easily. quote: The entirity of Earth is equal as one plant, so WHY are most of the people on ships WHITE AMERICANS? Wouldn't logic state that most are Asian? Homosexuals appear to have been eradicated. The Nazi/WASP/KKK got into power on Earth in the 23rd Century and eliminated nearly all the homosexuals, non-WASPs etc. Then they were crushed by the Red Army of the other Federation members. The UFoP doesn't like to talk about it, and so doesn't mention it.

Crushed the Red Army? The Federation is more communist than Karl Marx!

	21-05-2002 01:53									#33
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon But they have spoken to primitive cultures who obviously wouldn't have the tech and they understood them...

I thought the UT works as long as one of the two discussing have it.

	21-05-2002 02:01									#34
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quote: Originally posted by kassiopeia I thought the UT works as long as one of the two discussing have it.

Could be, but they rarely seem surprised that they speak their language...

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	21-05-2002 02:04									#35
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quote: The DS9 ep Little Green Men showed that the Universal Translator is also in people's ears (thus it's always present)

Babblefish?

	21-05-2002 02:08									#36
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quote: Could be, but they rarely seem surprised that they speak their language...

Watch the Voyager ep The 37s. ("why is everyone speaking Japanese?"

And it does work both ways.


And no homosexuality? Well, not on earth it seems (no idea why), but in other cultures it certainly exists (one culture seen in TNG was 100% homosexual (there only was one gender), and we all know the number of lesbian kisses seen (especcially with the Trill).

Women? On Enterprise 30% of the crew is female. Don't know about the other series.

Race? No idea, but it's possible there are ships made up of mostly asians, or blacks, or Vulcans (we know at least those exist).

And in the 3rd world war, the chief enemy of the west was some eastern coalition, which would probably be somewhere in asia. I wouldn't be surprised if china is a parking lot in the 24th century.

	21-05-2002 02:31									#37
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Well Check this...I think Gene Rodenberry chose specificly the races for the reasons of society at the time.

Starfleet - U.S.

Federation - Either NATO or U.N....I believe though it is NATO.

Klingons - Russians. Warlike against Humans during the first series (60s), friendly with Humans during TNG (90s)

Vulcans - Japanese. Once warlike people (World War Two) who have taken a calmer path.

Romulans - Chinese. Similar to the Vulcans, at odds with the Federation (and later the Klingons)

Ferengi - Europeans (exactly what I thought BEFORE finding this out. That only furthers my belief.)

	21-05-2002 02:35									#38
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sick rascist propaganda

	21-05-2002 02:36									#39
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I've heard the Vulcans compared to the English - lacking emotion, bland, but clever. Eventually their technical, industrial and scientific lead was overtaken by that of the US, but together they make an alliance.

	21-05-2002 09:22									#40
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon Hmm, other things wrong with Star Trek- - Why does the universal translater make everyone's voice American? And why does it give the French Picard a British accents (unless it automatically detects if you are evil and gives you a British accent accordingly ) Any more? Or can someone refute my accusations?

Damned right I can. The UT doesn't "give" Picard a British accent because he's not speaking French. He's speaking English. Being from a well-to-do French family, he would have been taught to speak English properly, ie with an English accent that he would have acquired either from an English tutor or by going to England. So there we go.

As an interesting aside to this, I once saw a bit of a Trek movie which had been dubbed into French. It was awful. They all had similar accents. You'd have thought that they would have found a Breton to dubb Scotty, a Vietnamese to dubb Sulu, a Gascon or a Quebecker for Bones, an Eastern European for Chekov and a recently arrived African for Uhura, etc to get the accents sort of right. But apparently not.

	21-05-2002 13:32									#41
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Of course not. French is pure.

The very idea of regional French accents is heresy, and the Ministry of Culture will be visiting you very, very shortly.

	21-05-2002 13:36									#42
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I think Ferengi adequately describes many Europeans.

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quote: Originally posted by red_jon - Homosexuals appear to have been eradicated.

Just because they aren't there doesn't mean they were eradicated. Maybe starfleet revoked its "Don't ask don't tell" policy

quote: - Why does the universal translater make everyone's voice American? And why does it give the French Picard a British accents (unless it automatically detects if you are evil and gives you a British accent accordingly )

Nuther way to look at that - It detected his evil French accent, realized that it makes a bad impression, ergo it becomes English as everybody knows the English are the good guys. Unless you've been watching that patriot movie again

	21-05-2002 17:53									#44
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quote: I think Ferengi adequately describes many Europeans.

Isn't the USA the world's centre of blatant capitalism?

	21-05-2002 18:16									#45
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Feringi comes from farangi which I think is at least partly Turkish, which is from Frank, which is what they thought everyone from Europe was...farangi also mutates into the Turkish for syphilis, which is nice...

In fact I think Hungarian also uses something like franc for syphilis...

	21-05-2002 19:10									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker Fereghi is foreigner or outsider. Pathans in Afghanistan, for example, consider anyone not from their tribal group to be ferenghi, not just europeans. Another word from Star Drek: The leader of the Ferenghi is the 'Grand Negus'. Negus is the title of the Emperor of Ethiopia. It's literal meaning is 'Lion', but as a title it means emperor. The full title of an Ethiopian emperor is 'Lion of Judah'.

Hey! I mentioned that in a thread ages ago!

	21-05-2002 19:14									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus No! Cause it's chinese for European.

Ahh, but the question is whether in common usage it was used only in reference to persons specifically of european nationality, or would it have also been used in reference to Americans and other non-european westerners as well?

	21-05-2002 19:16									#48
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quote: Originally posted by red_jon - Homosexuals appear to have been eradicated.

	21-05-2002 19:19									#49
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Of course not. French is pure. The very idea of regional French accents is heresy, and the Ministry of Culture will be visiting you very, very shortly.

There was a lovely play by Molliere in which he heaps heavy non-PC ridicule on all the various dialects of baroque era France. Apparently at that time in French history there were a number of dialects throughout France that were so different from royal Frenach as to be nearly seperate languages. This applied not only to such distant provinces as Provence and Lorraine, but even Picardie and Orleans.

	21-05-2002 19:28									#50
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous Well Check this...I think Gene Rodenberry chose specificly the races for the reasons of society at the time. Starfleet - U.S. Federation - Either NATO or U.N....I believe though it is NATO. Klingons - Russians. Warlike against Humans during the first series (60s), friendly with Humans during TNG (90s) Vulcans - Japanese. Once warlike people (World War Two) who have taken a calmer path. Romulans - Chinese. Similar to the Vulcans, at odds with the Federation (and later the Klingons) Ferengi - Europeans (exactly what I thought BEFORE finding this out. That only furthers my belief.)

I thought that the Klingons were supposed to represent the Japanese. Their warrior code is similar to the code of Bushido, and in TOS they even looked like Japanese with escessively busshy eyebrows. Even their uniforms had a vaguely Samurai look to them. Remember that Rodenberry served during one of the most hard fought battles in the Pacific. He would have been more familiar with the warrior cult type Japanese.

Come to think of it, the Romulans, the Klingons and the Vulcans all had vaguely oriental appearence.

	21-05-2002 20:30									#51
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quote: I thought that the Klingons were supposed to represent the Japanese.

No, when first creating the Klingons in pre-TOS days, Gene modeled them after the Soviet Russians. He has also confirmed that in many interviews. Only later, the Klingons got their honor-culture.

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quote: Originally posted by DaShi Since when did India have a monopoly on words or any nationality for that matter? Next thing you know, people will be complaining because I'm naming my daughter Puta.

Hmmmmm...... around here "puta" means, well, let me just put it this way.....you don't want to know.

	21-05-2002 23:41									#53
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Just recently, they asked the actors who portray the captains (all 5, Shatner, Stewart, Brooks, the woman, and Bakula) about the lack of gay characters, and they all said that it's an "oversite" that should be looked into.

I also remember a year 7 TNG episode that dealt with sexual bigotry, through symbology (Riker falls for an andronimus alien, who takes on female traits, which is taboo in her society), so the issue has been addressed somewhat.

	22-05-2002 00:30									#54
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In one of the DS9 episodes the Trill "Dax" encounters a woman whom she had loved in a previous lifetime as a man. They try to keep the relationship platonic, but they can't. That was pretty close to being a gay relationship.

Maybe Federation medical technology found a cure for homosexuality?

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Just my two cents on the topic (without completely reading it):

My guess would be that the word "Ferengi" is somehow enthymologically a confuse version of "Franks". I darkly remember to have heard about similar words in Turk and Chinese meaning "European" in general.

BTW, in one episode the Ferengi are compared to the Dutch merchants of the 16th/17th century.

	22-05-2002 01:01									#56
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quote: In one of the DS9 episodes the Trill "Dax" encounters a woman whom she had loved in a previous lifetime as a man. They try to keep the relationship platonic, but they can't. That was pretty close to being a gay relationship.

That wasn't the only incident.

once with a female trill and crusher
once with jadzia and a former lover
once with ezri and kira in the mirror universe
(and the "subtle" hint about the debriefing, also in the mirror universe (ezri & leeta))

quote: BTW, in one episode the Ferengi are compared to the Dutch merchants of the 16th/17th century.

Booooooh!

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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus That wasn't the only incident. once with a female trill and crusher once with jadzia and a former lover once with ezri and kira in the mirror universe (and the "subtle" hint about the debriefing, also in the mirror universe (ezri & leeta))

In other words lesbians getting it together are more of a turn on to Trekkies than gay blokes getting it on.

	22-05-2002 13:59									#58
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Of course not. French is pure. The very idea of regional French accents is heresy, and the Ministry of Culture will be visiting you very, very shortly.

1) French accents are not very accentuated. They do exist, but the french has became a relatively uniform langage since a century.

2) ALL french dubbings suck BIG TIME. I always DL the warez version of a game before buying it, just to get it in OV and not having to bear the french translations and dubbing.

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As an Indian , I am compelled to say that the word is
a)Firangi , or Firengi , not ferengi.
b)It means foriegner , not european specifically

	22-05-2002 16:43									#60
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quote: No! Cause it's chinese for European.

??? In Mandarin, the word for "European" is "ouzhouren" (sounds something like "o-jo-ren"). Maybe there is another, older term?