20-05-2002 19:54									#1
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yes you heard me! I'm not going to watch Star Trek ever again!

I just found out Ferengi is the Hindu word for European. Those damn yanks, making fun of us Europeans again.

I'm boycotting Star Trek now. Go Star Wars!



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	20-05-2002 20:02									#2
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No, it's the Hindi word for "English". I learned this while watching the Hindi propaganda film "Lagaan". Think about it, "Ferengi" and "English" sound somewhat similar, don't they? Here's another big shock for you: "Yankee" is a corruption of the Delaware Indian word "Yengwi", which was their word for "English".

	20-05-2002 20:03									#3
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Uh...actually it means "foreigner."

And d'ya think this might be a coincidence...or do you think someone at Star Trek is actually smart enough to speak Hindu?

	20-05-2002 20:03									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus yes you heard me! I'm not going to watch Star Trek ever again! I just found out Ferengi is the Hindu word for European. Those damn yanks, making fun of us Europeans again. I'm boycotting Star Trek now. Go Star Wars! ( )

I thought you liked the Federation, it being a stupid Socialist state, much like Europe.

:: ducks&runs ::

	20-05-2002 20:05									#5
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...Heheh. Of course, it could be a coincidence.

But I doubt it. The British Raj appears to have been founded on the Rules of Acquisition.

	20-05-2002 20:18									#6
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Ferengi (hindi) from Farangi (persian) for European.

quote: I thought you liked the Federation, it being a stupid Socialist state, much like Europe.

Yep. Like Picard said in First Contact: Money doesn't exist anymore in the 24th century, just Euros.

	20-05-2002 20:19									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler Uh...actually it means "foreigner." And d'ya think this might be a coincidence...or do you think someone at Star Trek is actually smart enough to speak Hindu?

In the movie it was translated as "English". It could have two meanings, just like "Yankee" has now come to mean American or Northerner. Does the word "ferengi" predate the arrival of the English in India?

	20-05-2002 20:21									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove No, it's the Hindi word for "English".

Drat! I cross-posted with Dr. S.

My authority is China Flyer, an Adam Horne Adventure by Porter Hill. IMHO a trash novel is much better authority than some propaganda film made by locals.

	20-05-2002 20:27									#9
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Ferengi:

corruption of the Chinese word for Europeans
Thai for foreigner
Hindu for foreigner
Malay for Portugese
French for traveler (???)

	20-05-2002 22:22									#10
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Go figure: there is a Malay word just for us, Portuguese!

What an honour!

	20-05-2002 22:27									#11
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Just another bunch of limp d1ck Yanks who still have an inferiority complex with the 'Mother Country'...

Oh well - Ferengi and proud!

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	20-05-2002 22:31									#12
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Surely the fact that the ships are named U.S.S. instead of F.S.S. should be a giveaway.

To compound the silliness, whenever the captain meets a new species, they always give its full name as 'Federation Star Ship'.

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quote: Originally posted by Ecowiz Returns Go figure: there is a Malay word just for us, Portuguese! What an honour!

We have a word just for you, too!

It's "Portuguese"!

	20-05-2002 23:03									#14
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OK, I'll concede, maybe Ferengi does stand for "foreigner". I seem to recall that during WWII Ray Bradbury served in the Pacific theater. He was in fact one of the lucky few who landed on Peliau Island in the first wave and lived to come home. Might he have encountered the word somewhere in the Pacific?

This makes Saint Marcus' complaint invalid though, unless he wants to complain about Yanks making fun of "foreigners" or "Portugese".

If the word was corrupted to apply to the Portugese specifically in Malaysia, might it also have been corrupted to refer specifically to the English in some usages in India?

	20-05-2002 23:04									#15
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I won't watch ST ever again just because it's boring.



(except DS9)

	20-05-2002 23:06									#16
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quote: If the word was corrupted to apply to the Portugese specifically in Malaysia, might it also have been corrupted to refer specifically to the English in some usages in India?

probably

quote: This makes Saint Marcus' complaint invalid though, unless he wants to complain about Yanks making fun of "foreigners" or "Portugese".

No! Cause it's chinese for European.

	20-05-2002 23:09									#17
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I thought the Ferengi were based on 19th century American/Yankee something or other traders. I recall Data saying something about it in an early episode of STTNG.

	20-05-2002 23:11									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin I thought the Ferengi were based on 19th century American/Yankee something or other traders. I recall Data saying something about it in an early episode of STTNG.

I thought that it was Picard who said that. He was the one who usually did most of the smug Ameica bashing.

	20-05-2002 23:17									#19
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I'm sure it was Data, he was asked what he knew about the Ferengi and started a spiel that Riker gave a dodgy smile too.

	20-05-2002 23:21									#20
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quote: He was the one who usually did most of the smug Ameica bashing.

Of course. He's French.

	20-05-2002 23:22									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler Uh...actually it means "foreigner." And d'ya think this might be a coincidence...or do you think someone at Star Trek is actually smart enough to speak Hindu?

I recall Data naming his 'daughter' or something like that "Lal", which is the Hindu word for "peace", or "love" or something cuddly like that. Remember Pravin Lal, SMACcers?

	20-05-2002 23:28									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove I thought that it was Picard who said that. He was the one who usually did most of the smug America bashing.

...And Capitalism Bashing...and military bashing....and...real human emotions bashing...(more to follow)




Said Emperor Palpatine, "It's a proven fact people prefer fascism to communism. My Armies shall burn away the Backwards Federation!"

	20-05-2002 23:42									#23
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You mean you didn't know Marky-mark?

Any English dictionary has Feringi.

Feringi: In India, a European; also a Eurrasian of Portuguese-Indian blood.
From webster's colligate dictionary.

BTW, it was Riker who called the Ferengi "Yankee traders" in the first episode they appeared, "The Last Outpost" from year one of TNG.

	20-05-2002 23:46									#24
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damn yanks

	21-05-2002 00:01									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 You mean you didn't know Marky-mark? Any English dictionary has Feringi. Feringi: In India, a European; also a Eurrasian of Portuguese-Indian blood. From webster's colligate dictionary. BTW, it was Riker who called the Ferengi "Yankee traders" in the first episode they appeared, "The Last Outpost" from year one of TNG.

Evidently the folks in Bombay who make Indian cinema know very little about the Hindi language or history. That may be true since the film in question at points implicates the English as the main cause of the caste system and of he animosity between Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims. By the end of the film the local Muslims and Sikhs were happily joining their Hindu brothers in a little celebration offering thanks on their knees to Krishna.

	21-05-2002 00:27									#26
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Hmm, other things wrong with Star Trek-

- The entirity of Earth is equal as one plant, so WHY are most of the people on ships WHITE AMERICANS? Wouldn't logic state that most are Asian?

- Even though everyone on Earth is equal, there is nowhere near a 50:50 ration of men and women on any ship.

- Homosexuals appear to have been eradicated.

- Why does the universal translater make everyone's voice American? And why does it give the French Picard a British accents (unless it automatically detects if you are evil and gives you a British accent accordingly )

- Sometimes the Universal Translator works when it's not there. Clever that.

Any more? Or can someone refute my accusations?

	21-05-2002 01:11									#27
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Fereghi is foreigner or outsider.

Pathans in Afghanistan, for example, consider anyone not from their tribal group to be ferenghi, not just europeans.

Another word from Star Drek:

The leader of the Ferenghi is the 'Grand Negus'.

Negus is the title of the Emperor of Ethiopia. It's literal meaning is 'Lion', but as a title it means emperor. The full title of an Ethiopian emperor is 'Lion of Judah'.

	21-05-2002 01:22									#28
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Since when did India have a monopoly on words or any nationality for that matter?


Next thing you know, people will be complaining because I'm naming my daughter Puta.

	21-05-2002 01:31									#29
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quote: Sometimes the Universal Translator works when it's not there. Clever that.

The DS9 ep Little Green Men showed that the Universal Translator is also in people's ears (thus it's always present)

	21-05-2002 01:33									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus The DS9 ep Little Green Men showed that the Universal Translator is also in people's ears (thus it's always present)

But they have spoken to primitive cultures who obviously wouldn't have the tech and they understood them...

What about my other claims?