20-05-2002 22:42									#1
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Okay, I guess I could be suffering from some kind of memory loss. Whether it's shortterm or other is up for speculation.

Anyway, didn't there use to be an option in Civ II to reveal the entire map? I gave my copy of the game to number one son so I can't check it out but I'm sure that option was there. If so, am I also correct in stating that that particular option is not to be found in Civ III? I don't think it's there. If it is, can someone please tell me what key combination to find it. There are so many times that I restart the game where I'd like to see what I am about to miss.

	20-05-2002 22:53									#2
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There was a cheat mode in Civ II that could reveal the entire map. Also building the Apollo Program would reveal the entire map.

No such features in Civ III though.

	20-05-2002 22:58									#3
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Thats about it though. I can't think of any other feature present in Civ2 that did not make it to Civ3. And we have culture too!

	21-05-2002 00:36									#4
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No simple way to see the whole map, I'm afraid

	21-05-2002 00:42									#5
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If your not using v1.21 then you could always use the multi cheat. Or you could just wait until the Civ multitool is updated.

	21-05-2002 00:51									#6
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You know, I just heard about the "multi" cheat today. How does that work? I save with the word "multi" somewhere in the file name? Then what?

	21-05-2002 01:07									#7
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The "multi" cheat was taken out with patch 1.21 If you are playing with 1.17 or below then you can put the word "multi" in the name of the save game file then load the file and the whole map is visible and you can even change opposing civ's production.

	21-05-2002 01:14									#8
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Outstanding!!! Thanks. I am playing sans patches so I'll give this a try when I get home tonight.

	21-05-2002 01:43									#9
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something i'd have liked to see in civ3 is a map zoom. yo ucould zoom in/out in SMAC and it was really useful.

	21-05-2002 02:14									#10
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I miss the useless info screen which told you the casualties suffered by each civ in battle... was useless but also kinda interesting

	21-05-2002 02:31									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Bella Hella something i'd have liked to see in civ3 is a map zoom. yo ucould zoom in/out in SMAC and it was really useful.

There is a sort-of zoom feature in Civ3 - I think it's Z, toggles zoom out/zoom in

	21-05-2002 02:31									#12
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I miss the box in SMAC that showed the properties of both units involved in a battle, although sometimes the fighting was so rapid and brief that it was hard to take it all in before combat finished.

	21-05-2002 02:43									#13
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 There is a sort-of zoom feature in Civ3 - I think it's Z, toggles zoom out/zoom in

That's true, but it would be nice if there were more zoom levels (like in Civ2)

	21-05-2002 02:49									#14
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Who needs zoom or a cheat to show all the map? The feature thats most needed from previous civ-ish games is nerve stapling.

	21-05-2002 02:51									#15
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what is nerve stapling???

	21-05-2002 02:55									#16
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Heh, you know, from Alpha Centauri. You could stop drone rioting by nerve stapling, though eventually the little buggers grew immune to it.

	21-05-2002 03:41									#17
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Not all of us have played SMAC, CV

	21-05-2002 05:00									#18
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Another cool thing from SMAC: the option to show up your combat odds. Giving the extremely random nature of combat in Civ3, that little popup would help a lot.

	21-05-2002 05:36									#19
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there are lots of things I miss from civ 2. zoomability of map, casualties lists, reveal map....
but civ 3 has its benefits too, like culture, the endgame replay, and the palace instead of throne room.

	21-05-2002 08:53									#20
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I miss civ1

	21-05-2002 18:49									#21
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hey, yeah, the combat odds! the first time i fought a barbarian, i was like WTF? am i gonna win?!?!?! i wonder if they'll ever include that in patches/expansion pack... i know, i know. probably not.