21-05-2002 02:46									#1
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The PTW screenshots posted at Adrenaline Vault reveal some of the new Civilizations in the expansion pack:

Vikings
Spanish
Mongols
Carthaginians

They also show at least two new tile improvements:

Airport
Radar tower

Plus, there are some new buttons on the main screen:

next/last city
next/last unit
and others.

	21-05-2002 03:45									#2
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I hate to pay again for a game I already have, but it looks good so far.

	21-05-2002 05:00									#3
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Wooooo hooooooo!!!! Airports! It's about time!

Spanish UU... Conquistador.. a 5.3.3... is that a new knight? 3 movement and attack of 5? Sheesh.

From the player setup screen, it looks as though you can't play custom maps or scenarios... Hmmm...

	21-05-2002 05:02									#4
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Looks great so far.

	21-05-2002 05:20									#5
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airports should be worth about as much as paratroopers are now.

	21-05-2002 05:46									#6
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I think that's why they didn't implemented it in the original game, but you know how a demanding fan can be loud

	21-05-2002 05:47									#7
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Sorry for the redundant thread here. I haven't been reading the PTW forum, so I didn't see that looong thread on new civs.

	21-05-2002 06:35									#8
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It also showed the Viking UU, the Berserk and the Mongol, some sort of horseman/mounted archer. The Spanish conquistidor does surprise me however, I was hoping for a Tercio.

	21-05-2002 07:19									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Rust airports should be worth about as much as paratroopers are now.

i assume you mean paratroopers are worth jack poopie

but actually airbases could be useful, it would move the aircraft's base of operations a few spaces foward (for defense) and would provide allies a way of sharing land (if you cant garrison allied cities)

	21-05-2002 07:46									#10
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Civs we 100% know are there:
1. Spain (UU, leaderhead, civ name in corner of screenshot)
2. Mongols (ditto)
3. Carthaginian (MP setup).

Civs we are almost sure of:
4. Koreans (UU image)
5. Celts (leader mentioned at infrogrames)
6. Vikings (city names in screenshot)

	21-05-2002 14:01									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Spanish UU... Conquistador.. a 5.3.3... is that a new knight? 3 movement and attack of 5? Sheesh.

No, it's a weakened cavalry.

Seriously, it can't be a knight, as Spain is just researching Feudalism. So they must

- either have substantially changed the tech tree (chivalry before feudalism? )
- or substantially have changed the A/D/R values of all units, bacause an ancient (pre-feudal) 5/3/3 unit would be extremely imbalancing with the existing unit values.
- or have faked that image (most likely).

	21-05-2002 14:31									#12
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The stats of the Conquistador can't be in concrete at this stage. They might reconsider and give them different stats.

The only things I see as concrete so far are the four civs already mentioned and their leaders.

	21-05-2002 17:28									#13
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Looks great, except that new terrain graphic...that looks awfull, but at present time I think I'll proberly buy it...

	21-05-2002 17:34									#14
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quote: Originally posted by ADG Looks great, except that new terrain graphic...that looks awfull, but at present time I think I'll proberly buy it...

Yeah, the terrain is definitely ugly. But that's why we have Sn00py, right?

	21-05-2002 20:03									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Seriously, it can't be a knight, as Spain is just researching Feudalism. So they must - either have substantially changed the tech tree (chivalry before feudalism? ) - or substantially have changed the A/D/R values of all units, bacause an ancient (pre-feudal) 5/3/3 unit would be extremely imbalancing with the existing unit values. - or have faked that image (most likely).

True, you're probably right. They've probably done some modding of their own. That has to be a modded knight... there's no way they'd give us a 5.3.3 Horsemen variant, no matter how much they've changed things. We'll just have to wait and see I guess...

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Trip: Not quite sure about this. If you look at that Mongolian UU (lazy to look up the name now), it clearly looks like a horseman derivate and it's IIRC a 4/2/2 unit. But, may be this one is faked or modded too.

	21-05-2002 21:12									#17
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maybe it's like what i said on the main screenshots page about the keshik: Keshik replaces BOTH horsemen and knights; conquistadors replace BOTH knights and cavalry. Although they are much stronger than the first, they are a bit weaker than the second

	21-05-2002 21:47									#18
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It's also possible they are UUs which require more resources as the UUs they replace : maybe the Keshik replace horsemen, but requires iron as well as horses. Maybe the Conquistadores require saltpeter, as well as horses and iron (or maybe they require "dogs" as a new resource )

	21-05-2002 22:27									#19
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Hrrmmphhh. I hope they release more information. All this speculation is getting my antsy.