21-05-2002 07:10									#1
	Who are some of the Best All-Time CTP'ers? Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I guess I have been around about as long as most CTP'ers playing MP, online against the Worlds best!

(I was formely known as Patton,Red October,DrDanger,Wolfpack,Bob,ect. )

I am by no where's on this list, if it were enjoying, I would place high.

But as far as some of the best, I would like to see who you say were and are some of the best. If possible, place a date when they "ruled the roost" so to speak.

I am starting a list, of whom I have played and whom I say or think were some of the top overall players.

PIN-2-3 years ago
AERO-2-4 years ago
PAUL-For as long as I can Remember!!
DrBibber-3-5 years ago
Mr.Black-3-4 years
Yoda-3years ago + present
Quebec-3 years ago
Gavrushka>taught me some neat things!-current
Grafix(or maybe Im spelling his name wrong)-current
Catete-been awhile, but pretty sure hes been around awhile!

I know I am missing a lot, thats why I started this, come forth, come one,come all & voice whom you think are/were some of the top players!


Troll


F G is pretty good, thats Faded Glory for those whom dont know him

	21-05-2002 16:34									#2
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Couple of old-timers you may not remember are Tal and Ming. Tal was a master at land battles and could hold his own against any in island wars. I would say that Ming probably was one of the first to discover the various tricks and uses them effectively. Ming was mainly a land players. Ming had health problems and would be off for weeks to months at a time.

Tal- 2-4 years ago
Ming 2-4 years ago (off and on)

	21-05-2002 17:33									#3
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Troll.... I don't measure up against some of the players on that list - My defeat by Yoda was humiliating - he was as far ahead of me on PG as I would expect to be against a Newbie- BUT it has opened a LOAD of new questions for me... The all time greatest can ONLY be establised by a VARIETY of game styles- CTP is not one game it is many - A Land game is a style, a pure Island games is a style... A ruin free pre-made map is a style, a combination of Islands and Land is a style.

There are players that play categories of CTP well... But I guess you are asking something a bit deeper than that.... The only player I know plays VERY well on all styles is Blackice... But I think he will admit he may not be the master of every kind of CTP - From what I understand Paul and Yoda are the two best current players... Although Catete after a long absence Plays exceptionally well under many game types - I think it would be great if people like Paul and Yoda would play a greater variety of opponents as it is the only way we can learn.... I am also going to say something I NEVER thought I would.....

..... Rush buy switching is perhaps something that could have its merits.... And it was very clearly explained to me why - On random maps we can have varying start positions.... IF you are forced to work with low prod high growth land it can take 20+ turns to get a settler out.... Your opponent may have a forest river - If that is the case you have lost the game before it starts- BUT switching could equalise a game under these conditions - Player with high growth land is STILL disadvantaged by having to purchase , and having low prod land - BUT at least he can keep up with Settler production... I kind of feel if switching was kept to granaries settlers and within say first 30 turns - It is meritable... Wow, did I really say that.....

	21-05-2002 18:38									#4
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Oh no you didn't!

	21-05-2002 19:07									#5
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I did I DID!! - It goes against everything I ever believed in but do you understand my reasoning??

	21-05-2002 20:19									#6
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Yes I did understand you.

No, I do not want to play this way. A bad starting position is ALSO part of the game.

Ask Paul, if he liked his starting position in Monkey 1. Ask me if I liked my in Lung DM 3.2.

Both answers would be NO I think. But that's the game.

	21-05-2002 20:29									#7
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I still remember playing gigantic pbem in 2001, featuring Pin firmly in the lead as the Romans.
I thought I was doing quite well in that game. (Especially because Pin was fighting Stavros and leaving me in peace. )
Too bad the game died without a real ending.

	21-05-2002 20:51									#8
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I was not suggesting in PBEM Bird, I appreciate that diplomacy and totally different gameplay styles mean there is no need in PBEM - I mean in MP - where it is two players in a mad race to dvelop civ for conquest - nothing else involved, no diplomacy, no alien life victory Just war...

	21-05-2002 23:14									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Swissy Couple of old-timers you may not remember are Tal and Ming. Tal was a master at land battles and could hold his own against any in island wars. I would say that Ming probably was one of the first to discover the various tricks and uses them effectively. Ming was mainly a land players. Ming had health problems and would be off for weeks to months at a time. Tal- 2-4 years ago Ming 2-4 years ago (off and on)

Yeah, forget them too!

I got whooped terribly by Tal!

Gav. I agree, some have advantages over others, depending on game styles!

I remember a pretty good player, Minh, he said he was handicapped, but still pretty good player!

Troll

	22-05-2002 00:18									#10
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Tito used to beat me and pin in a 2 on 1. He was the best..He is someone who has 20,000 production and be light years ahead in tech on turn 100. No offense to gav, but he was better than you. This was 2-3 years ago.

	22-05-2002 04:15									#11
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Tito must've been cheating

Gav,

Rush-buy switching will benefit you and your opponent as well

I agree with Birdman's last remarks.

	22-05-2002 04:47									#12
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Well I just played Yoda again - last game I played no switching.... this game I played with switching- last game he had 6 times my PG- this time we are equal.... I dunno.... I think it should be a choice - the argument i put forward is it BENEFITS the player in the weaker production position more.... i.e. it equalises start positions...

	22-05-2002 05:12									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka Well I just played Yoda again - last game I played no switching.... this game I played with switching- last game he had 6 times my PG- this time we are equal.... I dunno.... I think it should be a choice - the argument i put forward is it BENEFITS the player in the weaker production position more.... i.e. it equalises start positions...

As I have faithfully tried to play this game "SANS-SWITCHEROO or Rush-Buy thingey I still dont know exactley what it is a person does I just have read or monitored threads explaining that for an advantage in cost one can switch something in build quere and come out WAY ahead..~sigh~ Maybe I will find out what it is that people do??? Oh well, but at any rate, if all people understand and accept, i see no problems, but some have used it on me as well as others and well, it dont seem right is all

	22-05-2002 05:12									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Troll F G is pretty good, thats Faded Glory for those whom dont know him

Faded Glory??

I was gonna say that he's a has been until i realised that he never was

	22-05-2002 05:48									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Lung Faded Glory?? I was gonna say that he's a has been until i realised that he never was

Look Lung, you gonna break his wittle heart, stop please, shes kinda fragile, U know what i mean?

	22-05-2002 06:03									#16
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What the hell are you numbskulls talkin about.

	24-05-2002 08:04									#17
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Good times Faded good times...Most of those players I played some good some tricksters...Ming for instance had him beat but he had the tricks... Poor sports with one thing in mind THEMSELVES and thier plastic pride...