21-05-2002 07:46									#1
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My vote is for the Kobukson.

	21-05-2002 07:50									#2
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By the way, Hwarang literally means "Flower Knight" not "Archer".

	21-05-2002 11:00									#3
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I gotta go with the Turtleboat as well Sir Eddy

	21-05-2002 15:08									#4
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Definitely the Turtle Boat.

That was one of my favourite UUs in AOE2. It would be good to see it in Civ III as well.

	21-05-2002 22:44									#5
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A unique unit should be unique. The turtle boat is while the fire cart was also used by the Chinese and Japanese.

	21-05-2002 22:48									#6
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What exactly is the poll for?

There is a screenshot for the Hwacha, doesn't that mean that's what the unit will be?

	21-05-2002 23:15									#7
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Trip : there's still hope that teh Hwacha is part of the Feudal Japan unit set, and that the Koreans (if included) have another Unit.
I don't think we'll have any influence on this though.

	22-05-2002 00:32									#8
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My vote is for the most plentiful unit in their country: The Starving Refugee.

	22-05-2002 01:05									#9
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quote: Originally posted by The Eliminator My vote is for the most plentiful unit in their country: The Starving Refugee.

Thats only for the northern Koreans of course.

	22-05-2002 02:19									#10
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In South Korea it would be Hyundai manufacturers.

And thanks Spiffor.

	22-05-2002 08:08									#11
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The firecart sounds nice.

	23-05-2002 08:43									#12
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You're all worker ants in a Firaxis colony. Happiness with the status quo, eh? I wonder how many of those people who voted for the firecart have even seen a turtleboat.

Here's a picture of a restored model:

http://bh.kyungpook.ac.kr/~rkcho/images/gif/pps005.gif

It's also significant because it IS the world's first ironclad battleship at least 200 years before the U.S. version.

	23-05-2002 10:14									#13
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And you're a twit who doesn't realize that disagreement with you is not a character flaw.

	23-05-2002 20:43									#14
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He IS right, you know . Turtleboats would definitely be the best possible korean UU

	23-05-2002 21:35									#15
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I have a new idea for a Korean UU: Accelerated Slaves. Whenever you go near their borders, a bunch of Korean workers just join your units, and they work extra hard. Bonuses apply for those who play Japan or China, who have used them as slaves for thousands of years.

Korea as a civ is a total crock.

	24-05-2002 03:30									#16
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Yes and the Canadian education system is apparently in shambles.

	24-05-2002 04:18									#17
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Siredgar :
I didn't vote because I think the Hwacha and the Kobukson are equally good : both are more original than yet anoter land-unit UU.
I know what a Kobukson is, I've seen Yin26's thread on Korea, and I played AOKxp. But frankly, even if I know what it is, it's not a super duper unit which makes the others completely ireelevant. It's a valid choice, as the Hwacha is, nothing more - nothing less.

I couldn't agree more with NYE : you seem to see disagreement with you as a character flaw.
Don't forget : Firaxis tries to sell XP to the most possible people, meaning they try to please the majority. It's normal, then, if many of us are pleased with their choices.

	24-05-2002 04:32									#18
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Yes, and I am also immature and unreasonable enough to insult others by calling them a "twit" when I cannot use logic. =)

	24-05-2002 04:35									#19
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please everyone stop this nonsense before this thread gets closed.

	24-05-2002 04:51									#20
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quote: Originally posted by siredgar You're all worker ants in a Firaxis colony. Happiness with the status quo, eh? I wonder how many of those people who voted for the firecart have even seen a turtleboat.

Before you get offended by a barb, maybe you should check to make sure that you hadn't dropped the gauntlet yourself.

	24-05-2002 05:03									#21
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Yes, that's quite comparable to what you posted.

	24-05-2002 12:28									#22
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siredgar, notyoueither: please act as you would like other people to act towards you. otherwise i will have to act towards you in a way that i would not like to

	25-05-2002 23:02									#23
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Please tell me exactly what I said that I should be equally given a warning or whatnot. I am very curious to know if you think that generally calling people "worker ants" is comparable to specifically calling out someone as a "twit".

	26-05-2002 04:10									#24
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you dont have to use specific "bad" words to insult someone

this is my last answer on this thread about this issue, continue on-topic please

	26-05-2002 04:41									#25
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It seems from the e3 vid that the Hwacha going to be the UU, since it was put with two other UUs, although it still could be part of the Feudal Japan unit pack.

	26-05-2002 08:33									#26
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quote: Originally posted by siredgar Yes and the Canadian education system is apparently in shambles.

YEs, it is. What's your point? Ontario's healthcare system is worse, but we're not here to talk politics.

I only chose the firecart because it seemed like the most modern, and there doesn't seem to be an abondance of modern UUs. If there was, I would have chosen the turtleboat, simply for the lack of aquatic UUs.

	26-05-2002 12:15									#27
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Siredgar: We've all seen them before. And yes, they're cool looking. Should they be the UU of Korea? No.

As i've said in other various UU threads, Turtle Ships were used by Admiral Yi Shun Shi's fleet only. As soon as he died, so did all the Turtle Ships korea had. I don't consider it the best choice for their UU unit.

Aside from that, Naval units are really a waste, since most of the time your enemy is going to be continent based. Look at Britain. And it would really be doing a disservice to the Turtle ship anyway, since the spikes and iron coating would really have no real purpose in the Civ 3 engine: It would just be able to bombard.

I think the best choice for the Korean UU would be a Korean Skirmisher or Spearman from the Mongol occupation times. They were the mainstay of the Khan's armies.

	26-05-2002 21:50									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Mikhail Aside from that, Naval units are really a waste, since most of the time your enemy is going to be continent based. Look at Britain. And it would really be doing a disservice to the Turtle ship anyway, since the spikes and iron coating would really have no real purpose in the Civ 3 engine: It would just be able to bombard. I think the best choice for the Korean UU would be a Korean Skirmisher or Spearman from the Mongol occupation times. They were the mainstay of the Khan's armies.

You're right that a land-based unit may be more appropriate for the Koreans because they will be primarily fighting the Chinese on a realistic map. However, if you are playing on any other map, they could be quite useful. Even on a realistic map, this sea-based unit would provide the Koreans a good offense/defense against the Japanese.

Anyhow, I disagree about the Skirmisher or Spearman unit because they are not distinctly Korean and they do not come at the height of the Korean civilization. Generally, the UU's seem to appear either at the height of or a momentous moment of a civilization. As I have stated before, the Kobukson was unique in that it was the world's first ironclad warship and only used by the Koreans. It is quite majestic-looking, too.

Regardless, does anyone know where it was stated that this unit is called the "Hwacha"? I don't recall this anywhere. If it is indeed called that, then the Koreans are definitely in the expansion pack. But if this is something that someone just called that unit in the picture, then it is less likely.

	26-05-2002 22:58									#29
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Both, as in AoK:TC. They added Capture the Flag, and Regicide, they're obviously taking the AoK route, why not add two UUs, one land, one sea.

	26-05-2002 23:29									#30
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Yea, and AOK is also very unbalanced in favor of the Koreans. In imperial age, Koreans are unstoppable. Not that it matters, since Korea usually dies in Feudal Age.

if civ were to do it, they'd have to do 2 UU for every civ, which is a lot o work and really not neccessary.

Siredgar: Well...okay. A turtle ship IS a good choice, my primary reason for not wanting it in, is because I don't WANT civ to have anything in common with AOK. *is 100% opposed to re-hash*