22-05-2002 09:41									#31
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider THE DOG IS WHAT MAKES THE UNIT! HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST OTHERWISE! personally, I wouldn't even consider buying this game if the dog *WASN'T* included.

So true so true!

	22-05-2002 10:51									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Andrew_Jay What's a 'tercio'?

http://www.geocities.com/ao1617/TercioUK.html

	22-05-2002 11:32									#33
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an excellent link, ydiiby

	22-05-2002 12:18									#34
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They have a lot to suck up to the Spanish for? Not being in the original 16 was a bit of a slap. England, OK. France, maybe. Germany? How many German speaking countries are there?

And the dog is cute.

	22-05-2002 16:26									#35
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither They have a lot to suck up to the Spanish for? Not being in the original 16 was a bit of a slap.

Maybe they were just looking for another reason for everyone to fork over their hard-earnt cash on the XP. They probably knew all along that the Spanish were considered one of the most important, and so waited until the XP before letting us use them without having to mod the game. Not that I'd whine about it anyway.

quote: England, OK. France, maybe. Germany? How many German speaking countries are there?

England and France did indeed have great colonial power. As for the Germans, they were the biggest threat to the Romans in ancient times, had a few high points in the form of the Holy Roman Empire during the middle ages, and during the Industrial age became the most powerful European nation that took the Allies everything they had to beat them.

quote: And the dog is cute.

But cute with military units doesn't work that well. Cute military units remind me too much of Pokemon. But then again, Infogrames' marketing behaviour recently reminds me of Pokemon too.

Anyway, I'm not going to sit and whine when I install the game, and the conquistador looks ridiculous. I'll just use the AOE2 conquistador graphics to mod it to perfection.

	22-05-2002 16:50									#36
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Germany? How many German speaking countries are there?

Three and a half countries speak German (Germany, Austria, Leichtenstein, Switzerland as well as many people in the Balkans. More than the number of Iriqois speaking countries, Aztec speaking countries, Japanese, Chinese etc etc. Whats your point?

Germans have a huge place in European history, thats why they are there. I agree Spain should have been included, as should the Vikings, but Germany has as much right as anyone else.

	22-05-2002 23:46									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I don't know exactly what a "tercio" is, because I only read about it in this forum, but it seems like the very thing the Spaniards want to represent their country's military. AFAIK, it's a unit mixing pikemen and musketmen which was nearly invicible until the coming of more modern cavalry. It was the backbone of Spanish wars in Europe. (well, I might be wrong, but it's the way I understood)

Spiffor, you really French or just living in France? If the former I find it shocking that you haven't heard of the Tercios before coming to this forum.

	23-05-2002 00:27									#38
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quote: Originally posted by redstar1 Three and a half countries speak German (Germany, Austria, Leichtenstein, Switzerland as well as many people in the Balkans. More than the number of Iriqois speaking countries, Aztec speaking countries, Japanese, Chinese etc etc. Whats your point?

Many people might not know that German is actually the third official language in Belgium.
And yes, I think the Germans are mainly in due to their influence on European history (not only in WW2, as LordAzreal already mentioned).

	23-05-2002 02:21									#39
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I hope the dog actually does something when the conquistador animates Though I hope he just runs away when the unit gets defeated.

Redstar1, you kind of kill your whole point, sure only China speaks Chinese, but ever consider how many people are there? . . . Then again Germany is Europe's most populous country, besides Russia I suspose.

Also, thanks a lot for the help about the 'tercio' though I was a little dissapointed after seeing all those pictures of bullfighters and Don Quixote . . . of course I couldn't read a word of what the pages were saying since they were in Spanish.

	23-05-2002 02:22									#40
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Hey, if tercios are so great, why weren't they included in the Spanish nation for Cossacks? I played the demo and that was the country you played in the first one, I was pretty sure you got to use everyhting.

	23-05-2002 02:35									#41
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Germany destroyed 3 Roman legions in near the turn of the first millenium. The Holy Roman Empire was once as powerful as the Catholic church. Between 1871 and 1914, Germany was the strongest country on Earth. That was again the case in 1939. Germany has always been important. Just because few countries speak German (few being around a dozen in actuality) doesn't mean they didn't have an impact on history or weren't a true civilization.

	23-05-2002 08:36									#42
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Don't you think this unit is bit crowded with a man, a horse, and a dog? I'm surprised he didn't also have a parrot on his shoulder, too.

	23-05-2002 09:06									#43
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If there is no dog, there is no XP.
Case closed.

	23-05-2002 11:36									#44
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sorry, a mistake.

	23-05-2002 11:52									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Germany destroyed 3 Roman legions in near the turn of the first millenium.

No. Some barbarians did. That's why they have barbarians. To occasionaly upset the apple cart.

quote: The Holy Roman Empire was once as powerful as the Catholic church.

Holy ROMAN empire. Thank you.

quote: Between 1871 and 1914, Germany was the strongest country on Earth. That was again the case in 1939.

Ummm. 1871, the British Empire? 1914 and 1939, The USofA? Most powerful? pfff. Biggest pain in the *ss? Yes.

quote: Germany has always been important. Just because few countries speak German (few being around a dozen in actuality) doesn't mean they didn't have an impact on history or weren't a true civilization.

You are correct. I did not say the Germans do not belong. I pointed out that the Spanish were slighted by being passed over. If you think that Spain had little impact on the history of the entire planet, not just Europe, I would prescribe a few books. Start on google. Type 'Columbus', go from there.

	23-05-2002 17:38									#46
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Holy ROMAN empire. Thank you.

Tsk, tsk. Get your facts straight. Like Voltaire said, the Holy Roman Empire was "neither holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire." It was comprised mostly of present day Germany, as can be seen here: http://www.mcm.edu/academic/depts/h...YROMEMPIRE.html

Oh, and I like having the dog there. Can't wait to see the death animation.

	23-05-2002 20:46									#47
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	23-05-2002 22:36									#48
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Stuie. Get a sense of humour. We could argue the HRE for days. We'd both have points. Don't read too much into a throw away line. Like Voltaire's or mine.

civman. Is that one of the lies his teacher told him?

	24-05-2002 04:38									#49
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither No. Some barbarians did. That's why they have barbarians. To occasionaly upset the apple cart.

German barbarians, thank you.

quote: Holy ROMAN empire. Thank you.

Stuie said it quite well.

quote: Ummm. 1871, the British Empire? 1914 and 1939, The USofA? Most powerful? pfff. Biggest pain in the *ss? Yes.

Germany defeated two the strongest powers in the world consecutively, France and Austria. Germany had nearly as large of a navy as Britain once World War I came around. The industrial capabilities of the rest of Europe significantly caught up with Britain during the late 19th century, and Germany surpassed Britain in many areas of manufacturing. Germany could easily have beaten any country in the world one on one in either 1914 or during World War II.

quote: You are correct. I did not say the Germans do not belong. I pointed out that the Spanish were slighted by being passed over. If you think that Spain had little impact on the history of the entire planet, not just Europe, I would prescribe a few books. Start on google. Type 'Columbus', go from there.

I never said Spain didn't matter. I agree with you that Spain belongs. I was only talking about Germany, if you'll notice.

	25-05-2002 02:03									#50
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Jay Bee :
I'm a true French, born in Paris where I lived until I was 19. And still, I didn't know anything about the Tercios, while I'm more than correct in history (granted, 1880+ history). I think the French should know of them because of the XVII-XVIII centuries wars, but these weren't covered in details by our history books.