24-05-2002 03:10									#1
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From wargamer.com:

"However, our attentive reporters caught another little tidbit, casually mentioned during their conversation. Apparently there are plans to release a fully functional Scenario/Map Editor, complete with multiplayer tools, as early as June."

http://www.wargamer.com/news/defaul...022193974,18997

	24-05-2002 04:18									#2
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like i've said before, i expect them to release some kind of multiplayer for free, but if you want the the whole thing , you've got the pay for it. Wich to me seems fairto me, if they throw in the editor, let's not argue 'bout that ok

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	24-05-2002 04:47									#3
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I'm not sure "multiplayer tools" means the same thing as "multiplayer capabilities." The "tools" are related to the scenario editor to be released in a (free) patch. My guess is that the greatly enhanced editor will allow true scenario creation, including city / unit placement, etc.

So, each of you scenario creators can select multiple human player locations and civs (i.e., can create scenarios for MP), which are unplayable as such until multiplayer capability is available . . . . thereby whetting the appetite for the coming (NOT free) XP.

At least, that's what I would do . . . .

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	24-05-2002 05:19									#4
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I would have gladly shelled out $30 extra for multiplayer and the scenario editor if it came out packaged with Civ3 back in December. Civ3 only needed a little boost to make it into a legend.

But given the disappointment seen in Civ3 so far, I'd take a "wait and see" approach to this. Probably won't be the be all, end all of Civ editing, but if there is some scenario potential, I reckon its better than none.

	24-05-2002 05:27									#5
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I paid fifty bucks for a beta, incomplete game last December.

I expect scenarios as a free patch, or the like.

I don't really care about MP.

	24-05-2002 05:46									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Coracle I paid fifty bucks for a beta, incomplete game last December. I expect scenarios as a free patch, or the like. I don't really care about MP.

does this happen automatically??
kind of like a standard form, fill in the blanks kind of thing?

	24-05-2002 06:42									#7
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quote: Originally posted by alva848 like i've said before, i expect them to release some kind of multiplayer for free, but if you want the the whole thing , you've got the pay for it. Wich to me seems fairto me, if they throw in the editor, let's not argue 'bout that ok have fun

That makes a lot of sense, buisness-wise. If they release the senerio editor in June, we can expect at least 5 _good_ senerios come october when the XP arrives. People will buy the XP, and come looking for senarios. Which will exist...

	24-05-2002 13:26									#8
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To be honest - I only really want the scenario editor. What then, is the point of buying the XP

	24-05-2002 14:22									#9
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I suppose it depends on whether you can play the games you design without the XP. If you can build a single player WWII scenario with all your own units, stats, techs and map features and play it using the original Civ game, then that will be enough for some players and answer a lot of their critics.

	24-05-2002 22:54									#10
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If they indeed release the full editor for free, then I consider their reputation as pure as snow. Really, and without irony.

(But I'm sure that even if they do, some whiners will come automagically, just to ruin the party)

	25-05-2002 02:56									#11
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The 'free' editor will probably have less features than the one you pay for.

	25-05-2002 03:25									#12
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Eh... at this point, even with something they might call a "full editor," I don't think the game is salvageable, but we'll see. (How could they possibly integrate a function that allows you to add new city improvements or wonders without completely redesigning, or eliminating, the City View, for example?) Besides, too many numbers are hardcoded, and it's a pain in the ass to work around them.

Still, there are a lot of good ideas in Civ III, and I hope they make enough money to do Civ IV, and really work everything out properly.

	25-05-2002 05:40									#13
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 The 'free' editor will probably have less features than the one you pay for.

If that's the case, then it will probably only due to the fact that they'll have an extra 4 months to work on it.

	25-05-2002 07:37									#14
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quote: Originally posted by EnochF Eh... at this point, even with something they might call a "full editor," I don't think the game is salvageable, but we'll see. (How could they possibly integrate a function that allows you to add new city improvements or wonders without completely redesigning, or eliminating, the City View, for example?) Besides, too many numbers are hardcoded, and it's a pain in the ass to work around them.

We'll see. I, for one, am certain that the editor will allow you to add buildings and Wonders. Call me optimistic.

As far as hard-coded numbers, have you looked at the editor lately? There are less and less hard-coded numbers each iteration.

	25-05-2002 08:46									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Andrew Cory That makes a lot of sense, buisness-wise. If they release the senerio editor in June, we can expect at least 5 _good_ senerios come october when the XP arrives. People will buy the XP, and come looking for senarios. Which will exist...

you're quite right there , still i stand by my other point as well, (yes i do believe/think they WILL release some kink of MP free!!) when is a different question offcourse
but hey we can hope

	25-05-2002 10:44									#16
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I fully expect you people will get what you pay for in the scenario editor. Maybe you should take a note from the fact that Firaxis does not appear to be shipping Singleplayer scenarios with the expansion pack.

And as far as I consider it, a scenario editor with no macro language is simply a fancy map editor.

	25-05-2002 11:24									#17
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Did anybody remember CiC for Civ2?

It had dozen of custom scenarios done by fans.

Maybe they want to try same thing.

Ship editor.

Wait for finished scenarios by fans.

Ask for permission.

Put them on XP pack.

	25-05-2002 16:16									#18
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quote: Originally posted by player1 Did anybody remember CiC for Civ2? It had dozen of custom scenarios done by fans. Maybe they want to try same thing. Ship editor. Wait for finished scenarios by fans. Ask for permission. Put them on XP pack.

There's a Civ3 video from E3 over at that OTHER civ site, and it specifically states that they are going to take some of the best user created scenarios from the web and put them on the expansion disc. So there you go. Start planning your scenarios now!!

	25-05-2002 16:48									#19
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	25-05-2002 23:49									#20
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quote: Originally posted by player1 Did anybody remember CiC for Civ2? It had dozen of custom scenarios done by fans. Maybe they want to try same thing. Ship editor. Wait for finished scenarios by fans. Ask for permission. Put them on XP pack.

A dozen custom made scenarios by fans in CiC? Talk about creeping revisionism...it's eight to be exact and except for one or two exceptions like Don Melsom's East, Wind Rain they were pretty lame...

	26-05-2002 00:06									#21
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Hey, why isn't this discussion going on in Creation????

Or in the PTW forum?


I think it is an editor which allows Single- and Multiplayer scenarios to be created (Multiplayer tool might be to place the flag that shall be grabbed for instance)

Do you think the ediot can run on a computer without Civ3 on it? I highly doubt it. But it would be good for me, as I can't be home mush during that time.

	26-05-2002 08:15									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Stuie There's a Civ3 video from E3 over at that OTHER civ site, and it specifically states that they are going to take some of the best user created scenarios from the web and put them on the expansion disc. So there you go. Start planning your scenarios now!!

Personally, I think User made scenarios are great, really great. But, if they're going to ship them with the XP, I do hope they polish them up, give a professional feel to them. With the creator's permission, of course. Call me a perfectionist, but I really don't play many user made scenarios simply for the lack of a professional feel.

By polish it up, I mean fix Grammar/spelling, make the map not rigid looking (lots of straight lines), and place cities in both balanced (if the situation calls for it) and astetically pleasing locations. Pretty much, how the AI would NOT place cities.

	26-05-2002 10:13									#23
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the reaons they're letting us have the editor is because they want us to make scenarios for them. if you saw the e3 video, they said they plan on including a "Best fo Net" scenario pack ala civ2mge. they'll make their fuedal japan / ww2 scenarios, and expect us to come up with 6 or 8 good scenarios.

and the sad part is i think we will.

	26-05-2002 20:46									#24
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quote: Originally posted by player1 Did anybody remember CiC for Civ2? It had dozen of custom scenarios done by fans. Maybe they want to try same thing. Ship editor. Wait for finished scenarios by fans. Ask for permission. Put them on XP pack.

hi ,

one of the main reason's it was not there before was that they never believed they could go so far with the game , .......now new possibilities emerge that a lot of people only could dream off before , .......

and there shall be a patch , .......;because firaxis shall listen to the players , ..........

as for scenario's , well that is a wait and see , but for now its sure that there shall be some on the PTW cd , ...........

have a nice day

	26-05-2002 21:14									#25
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX the reaons they're letting us have the editor is because they want us to make scenarios for them. if you saw the e3 video, they said they plan on including a "Best fo Net" scenario pack ala civ2mge. they'll make their fuedal japan / ww2 scenarios, and expect us to come up with 6 or 8 good scenarios. and the sad part is i think we will.

If people find doing hard work for free is their thing, more power to them. Everybody else will just profit, no? It's not like they intend to go after you with a gun to extract your valuable contribution to the Civ community.

	26-05-2002 21:50									#26
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , one of the main reason's it was not there before was that they never believed they could go so far with the game , .......now new possibilities emerge that a lot of people only could dream off before , ....... and there shall be a patch , .......;because firaxis shall listen to the players , ..........

It took Civ2 scenariomakers several years to reach the level they've achieved now. Those Civ3 'possibilities' will take years to develop if not longer. It's far harder to develop a good scenario for Civ3 due to the complexity and the graphics format. In the meantime Civ3 will have to be pretty succesful and stay live long enough for that to happen.

So as long as the people keep buying in sufficient numbers your logic is impeccable....if not...quack quack :

	26-05-2002 21:56									#27
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quote: Originally posted by CapTVK It took Civ2 scenariomakers several years to reach the level they've achieved now. Those Civ3 'possibilities' will take years to develop if not longer. It's far harder to develop a good scenario for Civ3 due to the complexity and the graphics format. In the meantime Civ3 will have to be pretty succesful and stay live long enough for that to happen. So as long as the people keep buying in sufficient numbers your logic is impeccable....if not...quack quack :

hi ,

it shall not take years , ......
there is no need for people to buy in sufficient numbers , .....

have a nice day

	26-05-2002 22:05									#28
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , it shall not take years , ...... there is no need for people to buy in sufficient numbers , ..... have a nice day

Let me put that differently...

"Do you think Civ3 will have the same staying power as Civ2?"

(And I mean staying power as in 5-7 years)

	26-05-2002 22:11									#29
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quote: Originally posted by CapTVK Let me put that differently... "Do you think Civ3 will have the same staying power as Civ2?" (And I mean staying power as in 5-7 years)

hi ,

it's allready proven to go behind that , ........

have a nice day

	26-05-2002 22:17									#30
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , it's allready proven to go behind that , ........ have a nice day

If you mean "behind" as in "under" or "less then", then we are in agreement.



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