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sweet. I will check it out.
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tniem
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Hope College
Apr 2000
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Oh my god! You weren't kidding this is pretty significant. Will be back when I am through with all this stuff about colonies, borders, and other things. But by golly am I excited.
Tell the gang that they have done a great job to this point!
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tniem
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Hope College
Apr 2000
time: 00:12
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This is somethig that I haven't been able to figure out for sure so I am asking the community and Firaxis if they have time. I have now read the pages multiple times and am confused by the borders. Obviously as the borders expand due to culture, the better your chances for gaining resources such as coal, iron, and oil. But what about regular resources such as food, shilds, and trade? Do I know need to have culture and borders to simply maintain the normal level of production in the past?
My guess is yes, that when you originally build a city you can only farm, mine, etc in your own city. And as culture is added that radius expands. But what about that huge border radius around Rome? Can I place workers anywhere within that border? I would guess not. And by looking at the gallery it has the standard Civ, Civ II, SMAC border tiles shown where the city is going to be founded. So I wonder how exactly does workers in a city work?
Also if luxuries and resources can be shared within your own nation's trade community can more than one nation build colonies near these resources and also gain their advantages? Or do they have to trade with you?
I would say that only one nation can build colonies on a resource and force the world to trade with you. But that is just my belief.
That's it for my questions.
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Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
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The Metropolis known as Hunt Valley
Mar 2000
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Originally posted by tniem on 05-11-2001 05:55 PM
This is somethig that I haven't been able to figure out for sure so I am asking the community and Firaxis if they have time. I have now read the pages multiple times and am confused by the borders. Obviously as the borders expand due to culture, the better your chances for gaining resources such as coal, iron, and oil. But what about regular resources such as food, shilds, and trade? Do I know need to have culture and borders to simply maintain the normal level of production in the past?
My guess is yes, that when you originally build a city you can only farm, mine, etc in your own city. And as culture is added that radius expands. But what about that huge border radius around Rome? Can I place workers anywhere within that border? I would guess not. And by looking at the gallery it has the standard Civ, Civ II, SMAC border tiles shown where the city is going to be founded. So I wonder how exactly does workers in a city work?
Also if luxuries and resources can be shared within your own nation's trade community can more than one nation build colonies near these resources and also gain their advantages? Or do they have to trade with you?
I would say that only one nation can build colonies on a resource and force the world to trade with you. But that is just my belief.
That's it for my questions.
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The way it currently stands, your borders are seperate from your "workable city tiles". The number of city tiles you can work does increase as your city grows, but it doesn't expand nearly as far as your city borders do. Even if your city has only the beginning 1-square (no) border, you can work the requisite number of surrounding squares. But until those squares actually fall within your borders, the enemy can come onto them and do what he pleases. Once you've got borders around those squares, you can tell the other players to get out (and in most cases, they listen).
As for colonies, the resources go to whoever builds a colony and connects it with a road first. Consequently, colonies become key while your borders are expanding, and if you leave them unguarded or weakly guarded, you will pay the price. Also, since colonies need to be connected to a city with roads, an enemy can destroy your roads and sever the connection to that resource.
This can be disastrous, especially when you're relying on goods to pacify unhappy citizens. I had a game going this week and the CPU destroyed my roads at a key juncture and sent four cities into revolt.
Dan
Firaxis Games, Inc.
[This message has been edited by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS (edited May 11, 2001).]
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tniem
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Hope College
Apr 2000
time: 00:12
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Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS on 05-11-2001 06:07 PM
The way it currently stands, your borders are seperate from your "workable city tiles". The number of city tiles you can work does increase as your city grows, but it doesn't expand nearly as far as your city borders do.
As for colonies, the resources go to whoever builds a colony and connects it with a road first. Consequently, colonies become key while your borders are expanding, and if you leave them unguarded or weakly guarded, you will pay the price. Also, since colonies need to be connected to a city with roads, an enemy can destroy your roads and sever the connection to that resource.
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Thanks for the prompt reply. Great work Dan getting all the new Civ III stuff up and the Sim Golf stuff in one week. I propose now that you put new information, screen shots, etc up one week for Civ III and the next for Sim Golf, giving us a new update from the company every week. Of course that is if you aren't already busy from all the work of two games...
[This message has been edited by tniem (edited May 11, 2001).]
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Bereta_Eder
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I like what I read
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polymths
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Phoenix, AZ, USA
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I wonder though whether the amount of resources you have access to matter or whether access to one resource is as good as access to 10 such resources.
In other words, if you have access to 10 iron, will you be able to create more legions or create them faster than if you had access to only 1 iron mine???
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tniem
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Hope College
Apr 2000
time: 00:12
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The first appearances of unique civs are beginning to make an appearance (maybe). The Greeks and Romans in the screen shots have cities of the clasical architecture motiff on the map while the Germans have huts that look like stones. I cannot tell whether militiary units are different other color.
Also, Hoplites are a new unit that appear to be in the game. Athens is building a Hoplite. According to the map which I think does a great job of telling what cities are building what, it will complete it in what appears to be 16 turns. Now whether this an unique unit - time will tell.
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AcidReflux
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ummm... the gfx aint all dat horrorshow, droogie... lack resolution... gimme fractals... not fuzz... im just playin civ cuz i love the ole ultraviolence... bita war and revolution... the Bog essence of our collective dream...
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Timeline
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Sunshine State, USA
Nov 2000
time: 00:12
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All I can say is *wow*. There is some really great stuff in this update.
For the next time it would be great to hear more talk about Minor Civs, and some more information about the number of civs in a game. Also, it would be really super to hear more about Nuclear Weapons: What kind of defenses are available against them, will instant retaliation be possible, how will it work ... etc.
----To Dan Magaha FIRAXIS: The Following Contents of This Post Are Irrelevent To Game Development, Please Do Not Waste Time Reading----
“Resources and luxuries outside of your borders can be made available by building a colony. Trade networks can also cross air and water via airports and harbors.”
This is fantastic!! I love the concept of colonies, nice implementation, very realistic, and of course, very fun! I very much like the concept of trade routes by air, also incredibly realistic and something I always dreamed about!
I know most you guys hate annoying graphics, but I think it would be cool if you could see the cargo planes taking off and flying to other cities (I.E. like SC3K), and boats making trade runs with appropriate graphics to whichever age you are in. I know, I know . . . Civ isn’t about graphics, but I can dream if I want too.
“Foreign nationals will reside in captured cities and may choose to resist your rule, or throw your city into revolt.”
Foreign Nationals? Great stuff ... great stuff! You really gotta keep an eye on them though, they’ll slip away from you the first chance they get.
“You'll be pleased to know that the "city view" is back, and will indeed reflect the current state of your city, from wonders to city improvements. You'll even be able to see differences in your city between major eras of the game. Finally, each civilization is reflected in the architecture of buildings within your city. Culture type and era (along with city size) will also determine how your city appears on the main map screen.”
Did you see the way cool city screen view? Look at the graphics, look at how they improved the forest and resolution. See guys? Not to be rude or anything, but IMHO you had no basis for complaining about how the city view screen looked. Great stuff Firaxis!! You still need have a little more work to on the map screen though. 
Timeline
[This message has been edited by Timeline (edited May 11, 2001).]
[This message has been edited by Timeline (edited May 12, 2001).]
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Lung
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of my princess Anastasia!
Mar 1999
time: 15:12
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The graphics seem to be coming along nicely, yet i hope certain tiles continue to improve. Some tiles look like little more than blotches from a drunk's paintbrush! I'm guessing that they're trees, but they look like rejects from an Civ2 beta! Okay, so the paintbrush look fit's in with the Tower of Babel rule, but if one has t oguess that they're trees, then something is wrong.
That said, i must say that the rivers are fantastic, while the pine forests are a nice touch too  It's also good that Civ3 is avoiding the "total beach" look of CTP, which was ridiculous. The Civ3 coasts look generic in that they're too macro to define beaches or rocks or cliffs. This is fine, although i would think that a nice touch would be to include a mixture of beaches and rocky headlands. Hill tiles on coasts should be reflected by cliffs, while mountains could be defined by a sharp drop into the sea with little or no shallows. Of course, they are no more than eye candy, but only serve to enhance the feel of the game.
Okay, so the game isn't finished, and neither are the graphics, but this is constructive criticism, so a couple of suggestions couldn't hurt
Bring on civ3!
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Chronus
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I am very pleased to see that more emphasis is being placed on economic/infrastructure details.
By the way, I got a real kick out of the city view screenshot. The pyramid appears to have more brick and mortar than the entire city! LOL!
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