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Caligastia
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Originally posted by Blisterz
Its easy to say that untill it happens to you.
EDIT: and that is not an attack at you. |
Im sure youre right, and no offence taken.
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Lancer
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:19
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Silicon poisoning?!?!
No, no... I'd have been dead ages ago...
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Guynemer
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1.3/10
Why the hell are you so obsessed with race, Cali?
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Caligastia
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Mr Fun-
Did you click on the link? Whites are specifically targeted by Blacks and Hispanics, so segregation would reduce rape. That is a good motivation for segregation.
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Guynemer
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There's only one thing worse than a jackass.
And that's someone who knows he's a jackass, and gets some sick thrill out of acting even worse.
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Guynemer
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He's not ignorant. He's gleefully pushing these buttons because he's a pathetic little troll. He knows exactly what he's doing.
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Chris 62
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But I'm feeling MUCH better now
Jan 2001
time: 00:19
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What a terrible thread title for this.
Segregation is never the answer to anything.
One good point I saw, people are way to flippant about rape, you can see it in some of the answers.
Mr Fun, this has nothing to do with disfranchising minority voters. 
Nobody makes you commit crimes, the argument about upbringing and environment is an excuse for anti-social behavior, even psycologists disagree on whether environment is a factor in criminal behavior.
Back to the thread, Cal, stop attacking like a twit, the real problem is the penal system is not doing it's job.
It does little to protect prisoners from other prisoners, and reform is needed.
Rape isn't a joke, whether it's of women, or men.
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Chris 62
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But I'm feeling MUCH better now
Jan 2001
time: 00:19
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Fair enough, MF.
It seems we all have been yelling an awful lot lately, maybe we all need to calm down a tad. 
As far as many black communities go, as well as young white people as well, there seems to be a growing culture of violence.
When I was young, ML King Jr was preaching equality, and many Blacks were freeing themselves of Jim Crow, and young whites were going for a generation of love, they had had enough of the old ways.
In the 1970s, strides were made, wars ended, things looked better, black and white seemed to be moving together ( I can remember busing to end segregation in my school days, all the way to high school), it seemed like the end to racial division was nigh.
Then came the 80s, and things changed in outlook.
Kids were more concerned with themselves, drugs went from an average problem to an epidemic, prison populations went through the roof, and in culture blacks and whites started to again seperate as hip-hop began.
The 90s brought forth generation X, heavily disillusioned, as typified by the grunge movement and extreme violence in hip-hop (you should listen to the early hip-hop, it has a positive message, the 90s that message began a glorifacation of crime, violence towards women, blaming whitey for everything) with it's "gangsta" culture.
Racial inequality was visible in the killing of blacks by whites in Howard beach NY, the Rodney King case, and others.
The end result of all of all of this is that blacks and whites seem further apart then ever.
The prisons are full of anti-social msythanthropes, and they are preditors by nature, reform is needed.
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Seeker
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London Ontario
Jan 1970
time: 00:19
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I have heard that the USA has, like, one of the highest world stats for rape because Americans view prison rape as part of the system, a sort of 'scared straight' program.
How the heck does prison rape even occur? Aren't they pretty much locked in a LOCKED cell most of time, and only allowed outside under heavy, armed guard constantly watched?
My guess is that rapes happen when the prisoner is alone and unsupervized....which should NEVER happen!
What are they typically doing at these times? Working for the state, 'learning important new skills', exercising, etc. So there is an economic pay-off to someone in working the prisoners as much as possible, which leads to them being vulnerable/unsupervized.
During the 70s there was a cry for more human, open-concept prisons. Bad idea.
Here is my idea for a humane prison: The Panopticon prison. Thought of in 19th century England, it looks like a big stadium or colloseum. The Warden has a tower in the middle where he can see into all cells. There are no corners, no cell blocks, nothing to obstruct view.
The floor or 'playing area' in the middle can be converted from workbenches to exercise yard to recreational center. All under total view by binocular using watchers in the tower. The watchers spell each other in 1 shifts of 8 watchers per hour when prisoners are 'out' to ensure maximum vigilance. In addition, guards are constantly patrolling in groups of 6-8. If being used as a workshop or lunch hall, the benchs are always in straight rows so that any disturbance is seen from above. With exercise, rec, large groups and gatherings are immediately broken up to prevent rape under cover.
All cells are slightly larger than today, because the prisoners will be locked down more often. They must have individual showers, bathrooms, 1 Prisoner per cell.
No TV. Prisoners are free to order from the library.
On special occasions, the warden will allow a 'jumbotron' to be used for Stanley Cup, monthly movies, etc. but this is a privelege dependant on good behaviour.
Special Punishment:
Instead of solitary confinement, there is 'elevated confinement'.
This is where a 'hardcase' is placed in a special cell/cage on a narrow tower in on the floor. The cell is all plexiglass all around and has a drain in the floor and a shower head on the ceiling. Soundproof, natch.
The punishment is total loss of privacy, even the privacy of anonymity.
I believe this is the most secure, most humane prison system. Pop. 10 000.
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Caligastia
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You have some good ideas there Seeker. The problem with most prisons is that the prisoners are molly-coddled thanks to the "cry for more human, open-concept prisons" as you said.
Great post.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:19
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quote:
Originally posted by GP
The solution is to implement better order and discipline in the prisons. Not segregation. |
One of the comments in the report supports this idea:
"[My cellmate] was younger, stronger than I and larger. He introduced himself as a bi-sexual. And was for two weeks "touchie-feelie." I had to screem/yell at him to stop. The officers here 1. Ignored my complaints. 2. Asked me if I was his lover. 3. Did nothing. He became more difficult to deal with and started to threaten me. Finally one day he attacked me."
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/pri...ort4.html#_1_27
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:19
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quote:
Originally posted by Caligastia
Whites are targeted for rape by blacks and hispanics because they are a minority in prison and because they dont stick together for fear of being "racist".
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There is nothing in the report that supports this theory.
The HRW report offered several theories about black-on-white rapes and why whites are less likely to rape blacks:
1) Blacks and Hispanics are better at protecting their own (no indication that whites do not try to protect other whites);
2) Black criminal subculture is more violent;
3) Whites are targeted as a form of revenge for discrimination faced by blacks;
4) White immates are seen as a stand-in for the guards;
5) Whites are perceived as weaker (one inmate told HRW that "The belief that all or most white men are effete or gay is very prevalent, & that whites are cowards... Whites are prey and even a punk will be supported if he beats up a white dude.")
But segregation won't necessarily eliminate rape because the report states:
"Although many whites reported being raped by white inmates, black on white abuse appears to be more common."
However, the report states that there is no reliable stats on the number of inmates who get raped. black-on-white rape may APPEAR to be more common, but that doesn't mean that it actually is more common.
"Without question, the hard facts about inmate-on-inmate sexual abuse are little known. No conclusive national data exist regarding the prevalence of prisoner-on-prisoner rape and other sexual abuse in the United States."
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