24-05-2002 23:30									#1
	Firaxis: Small Worthwhile Trade Tweak Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

i really wish there was an "exclude" option for trades.

for example, early in the game, i'm usually the first to literature, so i can get the great library. i never want to trade literacy until i have a large portion of the GL done. but whenever i want to trade with another civ, and i say "what do you want for Polytheism", they never fail to throw Literature in there, and again, i will never trade it.

if there were a way to "exclude" things, techs, cities, resources, anything, it would be a VERY great addition to AI diplomacy.

thanks guys, the game keeps getting better.

	24-05-2002 23:51									#2
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Yeah, and it should be possible to demand them to accept a trade that isnt just them giving you something.

	25-05-2002 01:27									#3
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An exclude option is a good idea.
I'll be a supporter if the interface makes it simple (like right clicking on the tech/luxury/whatever to make it excludable). If the interface is heavy, the bad would outweight the good.

	25-05-2002 01:33									#4
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Normally I'd agree with you. The only problem is, every AI civ ends up with Literature 3 turns afterwards anyways so it would be useless...

	25-05-2002 04:07									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Normally I'd agree with you. The only problem is, every AI civ ends up with Literature 3 turns afterwards anyways so it would be useless...

that was just an example, heres another one.

just say you have extra rubber, and you DONT want to trade it to a civ, because you dont want them to have infantry. every deal you make, they'll throw rubber in. you should be able to exclude it.

	25-05-2002 05:30									#6
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And then they'll just get it for 2 gold per turn from another AI civ.
But yes, I see your point.

	25-05-2002 06:41									#7
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quote: Normally I'd agree with you. The only problem is, every AI civ ends up with Literature 3 turns afterwards anyways so it would be useless...

When I play Regent the AI often doesn't get Literature tell the end of the Middle Ages...

	25-05-2002 06:44									#8
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Even on Regent, I find that if I refuse to trade a tech, then a couple turns later every AI civ has it...

	26-05-2002 07:14									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Even on Regent, I find that if I refuse to trade a tech, then a couple turns later every AI civ has it...

you can modify the values to a quasi-fair level ibn the editor.

	26-05-2002 08:23									#10
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX you can modify the values to a quasi-fair level ibn the editor.

It's too bad we actually have to do that...

	26-05-2002 10:06									#11
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Uber and others,

I like the idea of exclusions... but before dealing with that, Firaxis PLEASE give us a unified trading screen. I'll take anything; obviously, the data is there in the SAV... even a separate little program, like Civstats, ANYTHING.