25-05-2002 01:00									#1
	Civ 2 1-pager tech tree Suffering from ads?

I have created a Civ 2 tech tree that fits on a 8.5x11 sheet of paper. You may find it at:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/pmm1/games/games.html

It is available both as a native file format (PowerPoint 2000) or
as an Adobe PDF.

By the way, on the same page there are 1-page tech trees that I have created for Civ1, Alpha Centauri (inc. Alien X-fire), and X-COM, as well as other useful reference files, including a comprehensive summary of the techs for Space Empires IV Gold.

Regards,
Nethog

	25-05-2002 01:02									#2
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Thanks, Nethog - they could well be useful - is the tech tree for SEIV gold the same as SEIV?

SG[1]

	25-05-2002 01:51									#3
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Page two looks useful. The tech tree looks awfully busy on one page! Good job!

	25-05-2002 04:48									#4
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Nice Cheat sheets!!!

Curses to my printer for being out of ink!

	25-05-2002 05:16									#5
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Scouse, the seiv gold tech tree is very close to seiv. Drones have been added to seiv gold so thats one difference. I didn't do a comprehensive comparison but I don't think much else if different.

Marquis, yes its busy but I like to have all info on 1 page. I use a highlighter marker to track progress on the tree.

	25-05-2002 15:41									#6
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Nethog, couldn't you separate the "Tech Tree" into three parts?

Comments:
barracks repair also units in the city's vincinity
temple: only 1 content until mysticism
Bach: I am not sure but I think not only continent, but whole world.

But a more experienced player than me should check the charts out (I usually stop games in 1000BC).

	27-05-2002 13:39									#7
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Nethog, your tech tree is exactly what I was looking for!

So, I have got no excuse left now: I'll just have to start working again on the Discworld Scenario...

Many Thanks

	27-05-2002 21:14									#8
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker Comments: barracks repair also units in the city's vincinity temple: only 1 content until mysticism Bach: I am not sure but I think not only continent, but whole world. But a more experienced player than me should check the charts out (I usually stop games in 1000BC).

Bach's cathedral has an effect only for cities on the same continent as the city in which it is built.

	27-05-2002 22:41									#9
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Nope - although the Civolopaedia states this - all the one continent Wonders work for the entire civilisation...

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	27-05-2002 23:30									#10
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Hehe, never really looked closely to check the manual. After 5 years that's a new one on me.

	28-05-2002 16:13									#11
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Nethog, I have used your tech trees for Civ1, Civ2, and SMAC. They are so helpful and when I play I have the one page tech tree right by the computer.

I wish - WISH - that you would make a one page tech tree for Civ3. Please think about it...

sboog

	28-05-2002 19:09									#12
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quote: Originally Quoted by SlowThinker Nethog, couldn't you separate the "Tech Tree" into three parts?

Well, I created the tech tree to suit my own preferences - I like to see the whole tree on a single page. Of course if you have poor eyesite or a poor printer I am sure the tree would be hard to read!

quote: Originally Quoted by SlowThinker barracks repair also units in the city's vincinity

ST, could you be a little more specific? Do you mean in the city radius?

quote: Originally Quoted by SlowThinker temple: only 1 content until mysticism

I changed my local powerpoint and will push it to my website when all feedback has been received.

quote: Originally Quoted by Scouse Gits Nope - although the Civolopaedia states this - all the one continent Wonders work for the entire civilisation...

If everyone agrees I will update my Exel wonders chart and put it on my website. Scouse, does this apply to ALL versions of Civ2 (I am using the latest patched version of Multiplayer Gold)?

	28-05-2002 20:41									#13
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quote: ST, could you be a little more specific? Do you mean in the city radius?

See Info: Combat (GL) thread

	04-06-2002 04:07									#14
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I updated the powerpoint (tech tree and improvements) and Excel with the wonders summary with your feedback, as well as other feedback I received from other sources, and posted them on my web-site ( http://mywebpages.comcast.net/pmm1/games/games.html )

	04-06-2002 06:32									#15
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Scouse Gits, never realized you played SEIV too

	04-06-2002 17:34									#16
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Oh yes - (2) only plays Civ - but I'm a great games player - I really loved SEIII, found SEIV slightly disappointing - but still play it occasionally

SG[1]

	05-06-2002 03:36									#17
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ah ok that explains it then....... sometimes i lose track of who is who and i assume one is your son and one is your daughter...

Scouse Gits (1) do your usually just play TBS? i am looking for a good WW2 strat game....not interested in graphics just good game play .....

i can't for the life of me remember what my buddy used to play so i can't ask you whether or not you liked it but i believe it was more along the lines of reading about casualties...so no actual "visual" conflict occured

	05-06-2002 12:15									#18
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I don't recall any text based games of that sort, but there were a set of three? four? games based on hex maps with a level of complexity sufficient to make your hair curl - It was a long time ago, but I recall seeing the whole bundle discounted at amazon? within the last eighteen months which reminded me of the good times I had had with them - if I can get my memory to be more specific I'll get back to you...

{3} is my daughter, (2) a good friend

SG[1]

	06-06-2002 00:10									#19
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Ahhh a hex game!!! I just remembered playing Slay anyone ever hear of it? It was very addictive. I think it was just a shareware game it may still be availible I'll go see.

Sure is here is the url download.com.com/3000-2119-1641510.html?tag=lst-0-1

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	08-06-2002 03:50									#20
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Scouse Gits, yes it was a hex game, i stand corrected....i wonder whether or not it was panzer general or something along that line...alas i do not remember now

	08-06-2002 15:12									#21
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I have had a hunt - the best I can find at the moment is talonsoft's http://www.talonsoft.com Operational Art of War which looks quite good, but is definitely more modern than the game I had in mind - I'll keep looking ...

SG[1]

	08-06-2002 15:26									#22
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Got them!!!
The games I recall are the V for Victory set by Three Sixty Pacific - the games are individually: Gold Juno Sword; Market Garden; Utah Beach & Velikiye Yuke - the last of which has particularly fond memories for me - All of them (and the OAoW above) are available from the underdog - PM me if you need a link

Enjoy, SG[1]

	08-06-2002 22:15									#23
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Thanks Scouse Gits..... i figured out it was TOAW series by a thread in the "other games" section.......

however i am impressed that you took the time to list some others ....i really like that style of game....

many thanks.....i am sure i will enjoy them all.....

i really wish you and i could go head to head in civ...... your totalitarian regime sounds like it needs a dose of reality

Your the ultimate warmonger! i have alot of respect for that

	08-06-2002 23:34									#24
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I must admit that I don't fancy meeting one of your mongol hordes on a dark night ...

Respect, SG[1]

	09-06-2002 04:49									#25
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i sent you a pm....hope you got it......if not let me know and i will send another one...i don't use that feature much so i never know if it works or not .....

take care and see you around!

	09-06-2002 21:00									#26
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ST & Warz - PMs sent to each of you ...

SG[1]

	10-06-2002 00:27									#27
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BTW, the order link of OAOW at talonsoft don't work now...

	10-06-2002 19:46									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits ST & Warz - PMs sent to each of you ... SG[1]

thanks Scouse Gits (1) i had forgotten the link to that site when my computer was wiped.....

TOAW was the game my friend used to play....now if only i can find a copy of it somewhere

	11-06-2002 02:16									#29
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Nice nethog, A nice condensed summary.
The tech one is a bit busy

RAH

	12-06-2002 21:16									#30
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Since my initial post the tech tree has undergone major changes based upon feedback from various folks over at Civ Fanatics as well as here. I have included the revised tech tree in a set of Civ2 reference sheets which I am calling "Nethog's Civ2 Reference Pack". Included is the "1-pager tech tree", a wonders summary, a units summary, combat modifiers, and a terrain conversion chart.

The reference pack is available in a single file, either native PowerPoint or as a PDF ay http://mywebpages.comcast.net/pmm1/games/games.html

Currently, it is in the "beta" stage (beta 0.92 as of today) and I am seeking feedback before its official 1.0 release expected in a week or two. At that point I will start a new thread announcing 1.0 and providing a new location for feedback on the "released" version of the ref pack.