25-05-2002 02:12									#1
	If the editor was free, would you buy the XP ? Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

I wonder if the free release of the XP will dramatically affect sales, as some of us think. I'm making this poll to know if it's true or not.

	25-05-2002 03:09									#2
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I would imagine that they would have a tough time having the editor only in the XP (and certainly in marketing it this way). The initial ads and box cover for Civ3 bragged about its editor.

	25-05-2002 03:32									#3
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Everything in the XP sounds great, unfortunately I already spent $70 on an uncomplete game on Halloween, and I'm not going to spend another $40 to complete it.

	25-05-2002 03:33									#4
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Well, the XP will have all those unit graphics for the promised Japanese and WWII scenarios

	25-05-2002 03:59									#5
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I think I'll buy the game anyways, if not it's totally screwed, and I really don't think that will happen. It doesn't seem like that now at least!

	25-05-2002 05:29									#6
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I would have got it anyways. As I've said, I want to crush real people, not Abe Lincoln.

The problem with this poll is that most people already had their decision firmly in place whether or not the editor would have come with the XP or not. The way the poll is now proves that (9 say yes, 0 no, 2 say no and wouldn't have anyways). It's the people who aren't civ fans that it might sway one way or the other. After all those of us that are here already have our opinions, wouldn't you say?

	25-05-2002 05:58									#7
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Most probably, but that's why the "don't know" option is for.
I think the non fans aren't that aware of the patches, and on what will be available to those who follow the information closely, etc.
My point is : this questions applies only to the fans, as the non-fans will not consider the editor to buy the XP or not (why do I have to uselessly babble before I sum up ? )

	25-05-2002 06:31									#8
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I think GP has a good point. Not charging for the editor is an act of good faith with the community. Work on it never stopped from what I know. I believe it always was their intention to complete the editor, for free.

MP on the other hand. A Firaxian said at one point that there was no contract to produce any other products (yet, as of then) and thus no work was being done in that area. Or something like that, I could be mistaken in my recollection.

Anyway, although I'm not big on MP, and I'll already have the editor, I'll buy it in a split second so that I can get the new units, improvements, and civs in addition to the improved exe.

	25-05-2002 08:20									#9
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither I think GP has a good point. Not charging for the editor is an act of good faith with the community. Work on it never stopped from what I know. I believe it always was their intention to complete the editor, for free. MP on the other hand. A Firaxian said at one point that there was no contract to produce any other products (yet, as of then) and thus no work was being done in that area. Or something like that, I could be mistaken in my recollection. Anyway, although I'm not big on MP, and I'll already have the editor, I'll buy it in a split second so that I can get the new units, improvements, and civs in addition to the improved exe.

My thoughts exactly

	25-05-2002 11:58									#10
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I think they'll use free editor to get finished FAN sceanrios added to XP.

Like dozen fan made sceanrios shiped in Civ2 CiC.

	25-05-2002 13:02									#11
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quote: Originally posted by player1 I think they'll use free editor to get finished FAN sceanrios added to XP. Like dozen fan made sceanrios shiped in Civ2 CiC.

I fully agree. I will certainly buy the XP, but not primarily for the editor.

	25-05-2002 21:12									#12
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Do you work for Firaxis, Spiffor?

So, is Firaxis backtracking now?

	26-05-2002 21:00									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I wonder if the free release of the XP will dramatically affect sales, as some of us think. I'm making this poll to know if it's true or not.

hi ,

nothing in this world is free , ............

have a nice day

	26-05-2002 23:11									#14
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quote: Originally posted by panag nothing in this world is free , ............

Fully agree.

Firaxis / Infogrames are here to make money and pay their employees, and not to work for free for fans that are not ready to spend one penny...

	26-05-2002 23:32									#15
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Actually, I'm considering not buying the XP because the most evil man history has ever produced is included and glorified.

Though, I may buy it and mod that particular civ into Byzantium.

Anyway, i'll probably buy it for the 8 civs. Multiplayer doesn't interest me anyway. And the 'add extra civ' doesn't work too well.

	27-05-2002 00:31									#16
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You don't know if the editor will work with the original game. But I'll buy the XP whatever the case is.

	27-05-2002 02:28									#17
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I'm going to buy the XP because of the new civs and I'm just too lazy to figure out how to add civs myself.

Concerning the multiplayer option:
I'd like to give it a try, but I'm a little bit concerned whether the turnless mode will actually fit my playing style.
It also might not work if you're behind a firewall. I don't want to open up all ports just to be able to play over the internet.
Using the LAN at home would work of course, but how can I then play with you guys?

	27-05-2002 02:30									#18
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Well, can't you just give civilizationIII.exe permission to use the ports?

	27-05-2002 02:33									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Well, can't you just give civilizationIII.exe permission to use the ports?

Guess I need to read the manual for the firewall. It's a separate hardware router and can only be configured via telnet...
I'll find out, when it comes to that.

	27-05-2002 02:34									#20
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It also depends on whether the game uses one specific port or random ports that are different for each session.

	27-05-2002 03:32									#21
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yes. MP is life.

i just hope they don't muck it up.

	27-05-2002 07:20									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos You don't know if the editor will work with the original game. But I'll buy the XP whatever the case is.

hi ,

well "G" , at last someone who thinks that way , .........
of course it cant be the complete editor , ........because not all the CIV'S are there yet , ...............
wanna bet Gramphos that they could put 32 in , ...............

have a nice day

	27-05-2002 07:23									#23
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quote: Originally posted by panag well "G" ...

is "G" for vGriph?

what do both of your names mean anyway

	27-05-2002 07:26									#24
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX is "G" for vGriph? what do both of your names mean anyway

hi ,



have a nice day ,

please stay on topic , .....thanks

	27-05-2002 08:27									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Mikhail Actually, I'm considering not buying the XP because the most evil man history has ever produced is included and glorified. Though, I may buy it and mod that particular civ into Byzantium.

Who are you talking about? Genghis Khan? And judging from the leaderhead and the 147-post racism discussion that resulted, i wouldnt say he's glorified.

	27-05-2002 09:29									#26
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Khan is the most evil man in history?

	27-05-2002 10:58									#27
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civman: he's glorified because, unlike Hitler and Stalin, he's actually included in the game as a 'great leader'. I don't care what they made him look like. Kublai Khan would be a much better choice.

Uber: I'd say so, considering the millions of innocent people he raped and murdered. Hitler killed people because of their religion, while Genghis Khan killed them because they were alive. He built nothing, only distroyed.

Actually, I'd say Genghis Khan and Hitler are about on the same bar, but the fact that Genghis Khan and the Mongols are looked upon as 'cool' by the West makes me hate him even more. (Even more than I would already hate a serial killer)

How I'd rank the top 3 in terms of evil:

1. Genghis Khan
2. Hitler
3. Stalin


Anyway, back on topic.

Multiplayer will probably be along the lines of "every 30 seconds a turn passes" thus, a 10 turn improvement to a city will take 5 minutes to complete, unless rushed. while you're troops and workers are moved in semi-real time (except you couldn't move a troop more than their allowed number till 30 seconds passes)

That's the only way I can fathom it to work.

That's the only way I can foresee it happening anyway.

	27-05-2002 12:30									#28
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In history it was a little bit different.

If you give us a tribute you won't be hurt, EVER.
EVER.

If you don't ...

	27-05-2002 12:46									#29
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quote: You don't know if the editor will work with the original game.

it will

jeff morris quote

quote: But that map, the scenario editor, and the content won't require the expansion pack.

	27-05-2002 13:18									#30
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: You don't know if the editor will work with the original game. it will jeff morris quote quote: But that map, the scenario editor, and the content won't require the expansion pack.

Guess I just haven't had time to read all news lately.