25-05-2002 18:20									#1
	Civ2 Wonders:Leo and Mike. Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

In DAWN PBEM, Jay says that I have the best game of all with my wonder: Mike.

But I think that Leo's Workshop is better.

What do you think?

	25-05-2002 19:22									#2
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I think these are the two best wonders, and it's difficult to say which one is better; I suppose it depends on your game style.

For example, I always have a lot of colonists; so when I discover explosives, I really enjoy to see them evolve to engineers
I think Leo's better. And I prefer his paintings rather than Mike's!

	25-05-2002 19:25									#3
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quote: Originally posted by jasev For example, I always have a lot of colonists; so when I discover explosives, I really enjoy to see them evolve to engineers

Yes: a glorious moment!

	25-05-2002 19:51									#4
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Mikes is better since it never expires (though i do love those settler-engineer transformations )

	25-05-2002 22:30									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Henrik Mikes is better since it never expires (though i do love those settler-engineer transformations )

Estoy de acuerdo, pero solamente si puedo construir uno: El de Miguel. ( my ''esposa'' helped me with the spainish)

	25-05-2002 23:06									#6
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On one hand Leo upgrades automatically your units to the newests saving shields of the new units.

But on the other hand, Mike's Chapel saves the cost of building Cathedrals (in the same continent, so it is useless on an island) and their maintaining costs.

So it depends not only on the way you play but also on the size of the continent you are playing.

I voted for Leo.

	25-05-2002 23:38									#7
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Mike's works in every city, not just the continent.

	26-05-2002 01:24									#8
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Exactly. Is Bach the wonder that only works on one continent.

	26-05-2002 01:27									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Jacobite1688 Estoy de acuerdo, pero solamente si puedo construir uno: El de Miguel. ( my ''esposa'' helped me with the spainish)

She did a good work

	26-05-2002 01:39									#10
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quote: Originally posted by yaroslav Exactly. Is Bach the wonder that only works on one continent.

Yup, atleast as far as the pedia and manual goes, but ingame even that really works for all cities, not just one continent.

	26-05-2002 01:44									#11
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All cities? I think that not in all cities, all games. But continent are flexible and in many game one continent=all your cities...

At least that I believed until today

	26-05-2002 10:48									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Jacobite1688 Estoy de acuerdo, pero solamente si puedo construir uno: El de Miguel. ( my ''esposa'' helped me with the spainish)

Spot on!!!

That's exactly the point. Once you got Leo it's easier to "conquer" Mike

	26-05-2002 15:49									#13
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Mike's Chapel. Of course.

Old units are left to death when they get obsolete. War is their destiny or I license them to earn some shields. I can pass without Leo's Workshop. But the Sistine Chapel is forever useful, you should multiply its usefulness by each city you have. People happy with no cost.

	26-05-2002 17:52									#14
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Miguel! When expanding on higher levels, the happiness is unbeatable, and it never expires. Leo's is my second choice of all the wonders, tho. If it didn't expire, it would be perfect.

	27-05-2002 19:48									#15
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I also think is Michel's Chapel. When I see the thread, and teh poll, I'm surprised

I'm a empire building not a warmonger

	06-06-2002 18:29									#16
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hola... ya he vuelto, que mes he tenido...
en fin yo me quedo con la Leo, pero hay otra que me gusta, esa maravilla que te permite reducir los gastos... diablos, no recuerdo el nombre ese americano... Adam Smith(?)

	06-06-2002 19:08									#17
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Adam Smith, sí, también es de mi favoritas. Pero creo que era escocés.

	06-06-2002 19:34									#18
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bueno... he acertao con el nombre... ya con el pais es pa nota ;-)

	06-06-2002 19:51									#19
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Alf, dichosos los ojos!!!!

	06-06-2002 20:26									#20
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Certo, cierto, dichosos! Lo de escocés era sólo por meterme un poquitín contigo, hombre!

	06-06-2002 20:42									#21
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Bienvenido de vuelta, Alf. Ya te echábamos de menos.

	07-06-2002 02:58									#22
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Hola de nuevo, Alf.

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Wellcome back!

	11-06-2002 03:14									#24
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I prefer Mike´s,
specially in higher levels,

you´ll lose a few turns upgrading your units,
but you´ll lose more with the unrest in the cities