29-05-2002 17:41									#31
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Hebrews - since the time of Abraham up to know.

Israelis - since Israel was founded up to now.

	29-05-2002 18:50									#32
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What about Incans? They have 6 letters, have we given up on them yet?

	30-05-2002 00:41									#33
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It seems that there is difference between Israelis and Israelites, with the latter being the name of the ancient people (Hebrews) while Israelis are modern. So so it seems that in English there are 4 names for Jews: Jews, Hebrews, Israelis, Israelites.

Sorry for going off-topic a bit, I was clarifying this for my self.

	30-05-2002 00:45									#34
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quote: Originally posted by civman2000 What about Incans? They have 6 letters, have we given up on them yet?

The Inca people are apparently the Inca, not Incans or Incas, so they only have 4 letters, so we can pretty much abandon them.

	30-05-2002 01:08									#35
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Does anyone else see the "Heb" I was referring to? Or have Civman and I gone bonkers.

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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 But we need to remember that eight of them say: Mongol Ancient Mongol Middle Mongol Industrial Mongol Modern Spain Ancient Spain Middle Spain Industrial Spain Modern Remember how the guy just clicked on the Civ select screen and it changed portraits from Ancient-Modern? Then a japanese person asked something, and the guy began saying "Well we tricked this up...." Or I could be wrong.

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	30-05-2002 01:21									#37
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Does anyone else see the "Heb" I was referring to? Or have Civman and I gone bonkers.

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you are not alone , ......

however the Q was poor , ........

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	30-05-2002 02:49									#38
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But if sgrig is right, they would be called "Incans" on this screen

	30-05-2002 07:40									#39
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But would it be Incans or Incas?

	30-05-2002 17:23									#40
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As I said, it would be Inca, not Incas or Incans.

The plural for the Inca people is unchanged, it stays Inca. (Well, this is what my encyclopedia says, anyway)

	30-05-2002 18:14									#41
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quote: Originally posted by sgrig As I said, it would be Inca, not Incas or Incans. The plural for the Inca people is unchanged, it stays Inca. (Well, this is what my encyclopedia says, anyway)

The correct name for the main country of the inca is The Birú ("El Birú", now misspelled as "El Perú"). The Inca is the name that had the LEADER only, is like the Romans that were known as "The Empire" during the I -> V centuries AC .

Also, you must know that the totality of the Birú Influence is known as the "Tauantisuyu", the four lands (North, South, East and West) that includes Perú, Ecuador, Atacama (northern Chile) and Meseta Andina Boliviana (in Bolivia, the northern area, the one that is NOT next to Titicaca lake).

In south-america, the other two great civs are Aymará (in Bolivia) and Guaraní (with an own state: Paraguay, is also spoken in Brazil and Argentina).

Two minor ones are Carib and Arawak, but this are undeveloped and live in small islands and amazonian jungles.

EDIT: In fact, Paraguay is the only american (independent) state totally controlled by the original natives.

	30-05-2002 19:27									#42
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Come on, look at the Aztecs. It says Aztecs there as country name! Thusly, leaderes will say "Does Aztecs wish to trade maps?". "Does Babylon wish to trade maps" sounds better, eh? The name of the Aztec country was Anauak, and Mexica was how they called themselves, the folk.

	30-05-2002 19:46									#43
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I admit that you people are right, but does that mean firaxis will do it that way. I still think they might call them the Incans, even if that isn't right.

	30-05-2002 21:14									#44
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I agree with civman 2000.

The reason they choose names is familiarity. How many people know the words Inca/Incans vs how many know the true names of the people/land? Same for other civs.

In some cases, they have made major mess ups: England vs Britain, for example. But again, to many outside of the UK this is a difference that would go unnoticed by most.

The same can be said of choice of leaders. Joan as an example.

I am not defending their choices, just explaining what I suspect is the reasoning behind them.

	31-05-2002 14:33									#45
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quote: Originally posted by kring I agree with civman 2000. The reason they choose names is familiarity. How many people know the words Inca/Incans vs how many know the true names of the people/land? Same for other civs. In some cases, they have made major mess ups: England vs Britain, for example. But again, to many outside of the UK this is a difference that would go unnoticed by most. The same can be said of choice of leaders. Joan as an example. I am not defending their choices, just explaining what I suspect is the reasoning behind them.

Here I agree with you that Firaxis does not necessarily make things historically accurate. But then surely same would have to apply to "Hebrews" - ie if that civ was in, Firaxis would probably call it "Israelis" because it is more familiar to people.

	31-05-2002 17:17									#46
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No, because here there is a major significant difference. That would be like naming the Russians the USSR instead, or even calling the ROmans the Italians! Firaxis isn't that dumb.

	01-06-2002 04:02									#47
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quote: Originally posted by civman2000 No, because here there is a major significant difference. That would be like naming the Russians the USSR instead, or even calling the ROmans the Italians! Firaxis isn't that dumb.

...or calling the Persians the Iranians. Actually, maybe Farsi would be even better.

BTW, didn't CtP have Hebrews?

	01-06-2002 04:06									#48
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Yep, they definitely did Purp

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quote: Originally posted by civman2000 No, because here there is a major significant difference. That would be like naming the Russians the USSR instead, or even calling the ROmans the Italians! Firaxis isn't that dumb.

Or the British the English? Why did they do that?

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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Yep, they definitely did Purp

Well, I don't know whether that would be a point in favor or against their inclusion in PTW. IIRC they also had Polynesians, a nod toward geographical representation, I suppose.

	01-06-2002 05:33									#51
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Yeah, and CTP I had Jamaicans, Indonesians, Canadians, Dutch, etc. Not necessarily a selling point for Hebrews in the XP.