26-05-2002 21:02									#1
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I propose that the 2 functions be combined under the "Minister of City-Planning". The duties of the 2 positions have always overlapped and been a bit confusing. Combined, the new post would involve recommending sites for new cities (a diminishing concern) and the efficient use of Workers in existing cities and the best construction projects to pursue in each. It is not much of an addition to either and seems to be a logical combination.

If we had continued and active competition for the posts separately, I would say let them remain separate; but we do not. At the end of the current nomination cycle, we have only 1 candidate for Imperial Expansion, and none for City-Planner. Let's just have 1 person do both and reduce the uncontested (or even vacant) candidacies.

	26-05-2002 21:42									#2
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If you can find someone to do it, then it might be a good idea. I could do it, but I'm probably not going to be able to spend the time necessary to make reccomendations that are worthy of the post. I think that you should propose this question again after the elections are over.

	26-05-2002 22:43									#3
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Good idea. I'd do it.

	26-05-2002 23:41									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Good idea. I'd do it.

Go for it. Run for Minister of Imperial Expansion. If 2 people run for one office and none for the other, it is a good reason to combine them.

Do you know how to maximize Worker productivity city by city?

	27-05-2002 01:42									#5
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It looks pretty obvious how this is going to end up...
The current City-Planner Minister will raise a huge public stink to protect his budget, and say that the ****ed conservative obstructionists are cutting back on important work, and that...

	27-05-2002 02:16									#6
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Try reading the posts and understanding what is going on here, please. Your post makes no sense in context.

	27-05-2002 02:33									#7
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Do you know how to maximize Worker productivity city by city?

I can probably figure it out. But I won't. I'll maximise up to no-pollution levels, and then stop.

	27-05-2002 02:43									#8
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Then you would be limiting us, and that would not be a benefit to the whole civ.

	27-05-2002 02:48									#9
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Sounds right, city planning should be location/number AND workers improvements

	27-05-2002 02:55									#10
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@ atawa!

	27-05-2002 02:58									#11
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Then you would be limiting us, and that would not be a benefit to the whole civ.

So sue me

	27-05-2002 03:05									#12
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Only if you run for a Cabinet position...

	27-05-2002 03:15									#13
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I am

	27-05-2002 04:13									#14
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Try reading the posts and understanding what is going on here, please. Your post makes no sense in context.

It was a joke. It was an insulting reference to Congress and the Cabinet (the real ones). It was not meant to be taken in context.

	27-05-2002 08:32									#15
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Do you know how to maximize Worker productivity city by city?

It all depends on what type of production the people want. I can do it all, from maximizing science to maximizing food and everything in-between.

That doesn't mean I want to.

I must say that should the posts of Imperial Expansion and City Planning be combined at this time I will be withdrawing from the race. I simply do not have the time to make good suggestions to the President on such matters.

Should I get more time on my hands then I may choose to run, but that is entirely dependent on circumstance.

Hopefully we will reconsider changing the posts at this point in time.

	27-05-2002 10:33									#16
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Well, since this poll is up, I will leave the City Planner and Imperial Expansion polls out for the moment until a decision is reached.

Premier cavebear - how long is the poll open for?

VP,
Mr WIA

	27-05-2002 18:21									#17
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no, put the elections up...i would assume this won't apply until july unless one of the two positions decides to resign to unite them

	27-05-2002 20:38									#18
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Actually, we should feed the candidates bananas. That sounds easiest.

	28-05-2002 00:35									#19
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That seems logical
City Planning become important for maximizing production and trade.
But if expansion is no longer of primary importance than at the beginning of the game, nethertheless, I think a civilization has to continuously expand and conquer new territories !
How large is too the dark part of our world !

	28-05-2002 01:31									#20
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Well, since this poll is up, I will leave the City Planner and Imperial Expansion polls out for the moment until a decision is reached. Premier cavebear - how long is the poll open for? VP, Mr WIA

I think I set it for 2 days.

But it doesn't mean we have to implement the results immediately for June. I just have the idea that the 2 functions naturally overlap (having been City-Planner previously), and there has continued to be some confusion about the 2 positions.

Perhaps the combining of the functions can wait a term, and that be understood by the next group of candidates. The President (or the next VP) can act as City-Planner if no one seeks the job actively.

	28-05-2002 01:31									#21
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It is still large, though not as large as it once was. It covers about 1/4 or 1/3 of the world.

	28-05-2002 01:34									#22
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quote: Originally posted by CannonFodder It all depends on what type of production the people want. I can do it all, from maximizing science to maximizing food and everything in-between. That doesn't mean I want to. I must say that should the posts of Imperial Expansion and City Planning be combined at this time I will be withdrawing from the race. I simply do not have the time to make good suggestions to the President on such matters. Should I get more time on my hands then I may choose to run, but that is entirely dependent on circumstance. Hopefully we will reconsider changing the posts at this point in time.

Don't withdraw. I will not ask anyone to do what they did not expect to have to do when they decided to run for a Cabinet post. This is more for future elections than the current one.

	28-05-2002 18:13									#23
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Imperial Expansion Minister -- targets locations for new cities, agitates for the engineers needed to build them, perhaps notes weak foreign cities easily added to our glorious empire.

City Planner -- maximizes city worker deployment and plans improvements to create the needed balance of resources.

These are definitely separate. The emphasis changes as the gameyear changes, but
BOTH ARE NEEDED!

	28-05-2002 18:17									#24
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Does City Planner get to agiatate for engineers needed for tile improvements?