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Do you think adding the B-52 air unit to Civ3 would be a valuable strategic air unit,
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Absolutly! 14 58.33%
I don't know 4 16.67%
Don't need it, don't want it! 6 25.00%
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GraveEatr is offline GraveEatr
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Mar 2002
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This ties into the thread I just posted about the B-52 unit graphics.

Everybody interpretation is different, but this would be my idea on the Buff's stats:

Prerequisite: Rocketry
Shield Cost: 25
Operational Range: 8
Bombard Str: 16
Rate of Fire: 3

Mizaq is offline Mizaq
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It wouldn't make sense to add the B52 because the whole thing with the B52 is that it has a huge range, but in civ3 the aircraft are limited to a range of 8. You shouldn't be able to launch these from aircraft carriers, and what enemy city are you likely to bomb that is 8 squares away from one of your cities?

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Well, look at the B-2 Stealth Bomber that is in Civ3. That thing is capable of doing intercontinental bombing missions. In Kosovo and in Afghanistan, the B-2 flew non-stop bombing missions based out of Missouri. Of course the Buff can do the same thing, but it isn't designed as well for it.

You're right, you shouldn't launch B-52's off of the carriers in the game. But then again, you shouldn't be able to launch the Stealth Fighter, Stealth Bomber, or the WWII style bombers off of them either. I myself have tweaked my B-2's perform much like the ICBM's: with unlimited global range. To make up for it, I made them pretty costly on the shields to build, so that you (or the computer) can have an entire fleet of Stealths.

Back to the Buffs: Once the expansion pack comes out and you can build airfields, you could then perform bombing missions behind enemy lines from them, giving the Buff a little more of a "realistic" application.

Joe R. Golowka is offline Joe R. Golowka
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Jul 2001
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  Old Post 28-05-2002 08:37
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I would give it unlimitted range.

CivGeneral is offline CivGeneral
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This ties into the thread I just posted about the B-52 unit graphics.

Everybody interpretation is different, but this would be my idea on the Buff's stats:

Prerequisite: Rocketry
Shield Cost: 25
Operational Range: 8
Bombard Str: 16
Rate of Fire: 3-GraveEatr


Hmm. We can make the Stealth Bomber a little more expensive and the B-52 a choice for a civilization that does eather does not have the Tech or just want a cheaper bomber .

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Apr 2002
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Not a bad idea Civfan, but I think that there are enough aircraft already covered. The modern era flies by as it is, adding another unit would only clutter it up more. Kind of like adding a new wooden ship with Magnetism.

Sava is offline Sava
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Trip, you just disagree with everyone don't you?

I think the unit has merit, but for playability sake, I would have to vote to keep it out. It's not the B52's fault, its the way Civ 3 is designed. IMO Civ 3 is a step backwards in the genre. The game is limited in terms of MODing and considering Sid had 6 years to make a sequel, it is very poor.

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If you add another 'step' to the upgrade line then thats just going to make it even more of a pain. Now once Ive built a couple bombers, Ill get the B52 tech and have to upgrade, but once I have some of those Ill get stealth... grumble

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Trip, you just disagree with everyone don't you?

I think the unit has merit, but for playability sake, I would have to vote to keep it out. It's not the B52's fault, its the way Civ 3 is designed. IMO Civ 3 is a step backwards in the genre. The game is limited in terms of MODing and considering Sid had 6 years to make a sequel, it is very poor.

Hey, you're agreeing with me, does that count? ^_^

I just think that you can research plenty of units within the timespan of the game as it is. There are 5 (6) air units, which is quite a lot (even though the Stealth Fighter is fairly useless) as it is. If there were more attributes for units to have, then 5 might not be a lot. But right now, basically all you have is A.D.M and a couple other things to choose from (precision bombing, etc.) that aren't all that differentiating.

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hi ,

yes , Firaxis please put it in , ....as a second or third UU , ...

"carpet" bombing , it should not hit a lot , except when on roads or so , range at least 20 , .....

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Since the Bomber only has a range of 6, and has no upgrade, i use the B52 as an upgrade for Bomber, with these stats:

Cost - 16
A/D/M - 0/2/1
Op. Range - 8
Bomb Str. - 8
Bomb. ROF - 4

PreReq. - Fission
Resource - Oil

Flags - Lethal Land & Sea Bombardment, Immobile

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Originally posted by zulu9812
Since the Bomber only has a range of 6, and has no upgrade, i use the B52 as an upgrade for Bomber, with these stats:

Cost - 16
A/D/M - 0/2/1
Op. Range - 8
Bomb Str. - 8
Bomb. ROF - 4

PreReq. - Fission
Resource - Oil

Flags - Lethal Land & Sea Bombardment, Immobile


hi ,

okay , but the B-52 should fly further , with this editor at least 8 squares , no upgrade , that would be to easy , it should be a UU , and it should move twice , but only on time for a bombing run , ...
needed , OIL , to fly on , RUBBER for the sockets and the small parts , and ALUMINIUM for the airframe , ...

the chance to intercept the B-52 should be lets say 15-20 % , ...

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quote:
Since the Bomber only has a range of 6, and has no upgrade, i use the B52 as an upgrade for Bomber, with these stats:

Cost - 16
A/D/M - 0/2/1
Op. Range - 8
Bomb Str. - 8
Bomb. ROF - 4

PreReq. - Fission
Resource - Oil

Flags - Lethal Land & Sea Bombardment, Immobile
-zulu9812


Oh yea . Replaces the B-17 bomber in Civ3 after the descovery of fission. Discovery of fussion? I understand that the real B-52 can be used both as a Atomic Bomber or conventinonal Bomber but Civ3 can only have one or the other. Personaly I would go with the conventional bombing. kind of hard to flag an Atomic bomber that would Fly-by drop "The Bomb" on a city with out having the B-52 be a "Use once" unit. Insted I have the prereq. on Rocketry ( Thats when the jet fighter appeares)

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I simlply used Fission as the prereq. so as to give players enough time to use the original Bomber before upgrading to a B52. So Rocketry would do just as well. I actually use the graphics as a new bomber type, rather than as a dedicated nuclear bomber.

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Actually, I'm working on making an "Atomic Bomb" unit.

This unit will be immobile, and can only be loaded onto bomber aircraft (or maybe even fighters if you consider the B-61 bomb).

It would be flagged with the Airdrop command, same as the paratroopers do. Once it drops from the plane.... BOOOOM!

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quote:
Originally posted by GraveEatr
Actually, I'm working on making an "Atomic Bomb" unit.

This unit will be immobile, and can only be loaded onto bomber aircraft (or maybe even fighters if you consider the B-61 bomb).

It would be flagged with the Airdrop command, same as the paratroopers do. Once it drops from the plane.... BOOOOM!


hi ,

wait a minute , that sounds more like a Fuel-Air-Explosive-Device , .....

that would be nice , maybe it should only "vaporize" one single square , ....

have a nice day

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quote:
Originally posted by GraveEatr
Actually, I'm working on making an "Atomic Bomb" unit.

This unit will be immobile, and can only be loaded onto bomber aircraft (or maybe even fighters if you consider the B-61 bomb).

It would be flagged with the Airdrop command, same as the paratroopers do. Once it drops from the plane.... BOOOOM!


There's no point in loading it onto a bomber, since the airdrop ability means it doesn't need one. Actually, I turned cruise missiles and tactical nukes into air units, so they rebase to cities instead of moving like land units. I just got tired of my tactical nukes being intercepted and destroyed by spearmen...

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Zulu, that is true... I didn't think about that! But you can only airdrop without a military aircraft if you have an airport in your city. What if you captured an enemy city on another continent and there is no airport? Then the bombers would come in handy for a healthy dose of fallout.

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hi ,

when the bombs fall from the B-52 , they should make an awesome sound , ...anyone thought about this , ...

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