28-05-2002 04:39									#31
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Any hetero Apolytoners who went to Gay Pride event in support of gay, lesbian, or bisexual friend or family member??

Umm, i used to all the time....before i knew i liked the girlys...my aunt even spotted me on tv in the parade.

	28-05-2002 04:41									#32
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quote: Originally posted by finkian I went to Pride in san fran last year-- it was fun, I'm in texas, I"m probably going to austin's pride this year

So what was this experience like?



And GP, thanks for your worthless advice.

	28-05-2002 04:50									#33
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it was fun. BUt the parade was really long. REALLY FRICKIN LONG But it was still excellent.

	28-05-2002 05:04									#34
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How many people do you think there might have been there??

Was the size of the crowd impressive to you?

What events were there before and after the parade?

	28-05-2002 07:26									#35
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I've never been to one, and I don't know of any that happen in the Detroit Metropolitan area.

Though, if you've ever been to Royal Oak, Michigan, you'd know that every day is a Gay Pride day there.

	28-05-2002 07:26									#36
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Here is a poem I found by someone named Papa John.

April Weekend, 1974
(for R.C.B., a friend)

Nine months is a long time not to see
and hold someone I could love if fate would let me.
So this weekend was like springtime
after a long, dead winter, and the half‑sunny skies,
the winds twisting our hair, and the new flowers –
bright white dogwood along empty branches –
just reflected my feelings, an odd mixture
of green elation and brown despair.

But now you are gone, I fear, forever.
And I cling – like a silly child hanging on
to a burst balloon or a dropped lollipop –
to my memories of these few days:
Friday, the supper I fixed, Richmond by night,
the gay bar; then Richmond by day, the trip
to Jamestown (past bare woods where a dogwood
or two flashed out a false promise), and the pleasure
of holding your hand; on Sunday, the aluminum foil building,
and the guy who saw flying saucers we could not see,
above the pyramid in the cemetery.

Last night I found your sweet smell on my pillow,
and it is my best memory. I tried to be happy
for all I had and not sad for one thing
I cannot have; and I really was, and am,
no matter how long the winter lasts this time.

{Places mentioned are in Richmond, VA)

	28-05-2002 07:28									#37
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Another one by Papa John.

I don't remember growing up gay –
I just turned out that way.
Sure, I recall fumblings with other boys,
and staring at bodies in the shower,
but that is no recipe for making a faggot.
By the time I was twenty,
I decided it was so, and it was right –
something that seemed so natural could be no sin.

But after that, I don't think I chose
my self, my gay style – gay was never
my first concern. How I walked and
dressed and talked weren't practiced –
they were how I walked and dressed
and talked before.

	28-05-2002 07:29									#38
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Where's ABBA?

You guys need ABBA.

	28-05-2002 07:37									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Where's ABBA? You guys need ABBA.

I prefer iambic pentameter myself.

Hey! My Shakespeare class finally payed off. Yay!

	28-05-2002 07:43									#40
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What is ABBA??

	28-05-2002 07:47									#41
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH!

You're not really gay, are you MrFun?

	28-05-2002 07:51									#42
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I would go out and support you guys, but sadly I don't think the gay pride tour is going to be brave enough to step foot in southeast Kansas.

	28-05-2002 08:24									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Asher HAHAHAHAHAHAH! You're not really gay, are you MrFun?

Hey, I am sooooo gay I tell ya!!

Please enlighten me, and cleanse me of my ignorance.



And Monk, while there is no Gay Pride locally in the Quad Cities of Iowa and Illinois, every weekend, our community has a We Care Weekend, which I already described.

This is smack dab in the middle of the Midwest.

	28-05-2002 08:27									#44
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ABBA is that 70s disco group. You know "DANCING QUEEN" etc.

	28-05-2002 08:46									#45
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ah -- ok

	28-05-2002 08:53									#46
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Here is just one of the many positive things that are occurring:


Lesbian teacher settles discrimination case

by Gay.com / PlanetOut.com Network


A lesbian high school teacher in Southern California settled her seven-year legal battle against the school district over discrimination and harassment, Lambda Legal said on Thursday.

Under terms of the settlement, the Oceanside Unified School District in San Diego must pay $140,000 to biology teacher Dawn Murray and provide annual sensitivity training to employees about issues of sexual orientation discrimination.

Hired PROMOTION

in 1983, Murray has received several state and national teaching honors. After co-workers learned she was a lesbian, Murray was denied a promotion, and she became the target of anti-gay remarks and graffiti that was painted outside her classroom. When she complained of the abuse, school officials threatened disciplinary action against her.

After learning of the settlement, Murray said, "Young people will learn from adult behavior, and it was important to wage this fight to show students all people have to be treated fairly."

Lambda Legal, the nation's largest legal organization dedicated to GLBT civil rights, helped Murray win an appeal in April 2000, arguing that California's anti-discrimination laws also prohibit harassment based on sexual orientation.

Posted May 23, 2002

	28-05-2002 09:07									#47
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Come on, even I know ABBA. Of course, I did go see Mamma Mia here on Broadway, and that was easily the most ABBA I've had (or want) in a two-hour period. Oy.

I spent the last 3 NYC pride parades perched with friends on 5th ave. at 15th street. It was, in the past a perfect location, as you'd look north, and there was the Empire State Building, then turn south, and there were the Twin Towers. I have a feeling this year is going to be a much more somber affair than usual, and the absence of those towers will be a little hard to stomach.

	28-05-2002 10:39									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Come on, even I know ABBA. Of course, I did go see Mamma Mia here on Broadway, and that was easily the most ABBA I've had (or want) in a two-hour period. Oy. I spent the last 3 NYC pride parades perched with friends on 5th ave. at 15th street. It was, in the past a perfect location, as you'd look north, and there was the Empire State Building, then turn south, and there were the Twin Towers. I have a feeling this year is going to be a much more somber affair than usual, and the absence of those towers will be a little hard to stomach.

True -- Gay Pride in New York City will be more somber than most past Gay Pride events in that great city.

	28-05-2002 21:24									#49
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And Monk, while there is no Gay Pride locally in the Quad Cities of Iowa and Illinois, every weekend, our community has a We Care Weekend, which I already described.

Wrong monk. Please understand my nitpicking, it took me no less than two minutes to figure out it wasn't me you were informing about the Iowan gay community.

	28-05-2002 21:32									#50
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Sorry to confuse you, Monk.

	28-05-2002 21:33									#51
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Yes, I did (gone out and supported gay pride events) a couple times in Chicago. I've had quite a few gay/lesbian work for me. Many of them I now count as friends.
I showed my support many times.

RAH

	28-05-2002 21:35									#52
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quote: Originally posted by rah Yes, I did (gone out and supported gay pride events) a couple times in Chicago. I've had quite a few gay/lesbian work for me. Many of them I now count as friends. I showed my support many times. RAH

cool, RAH

and thanks

	28-05-2002 21:38									#53
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At our last golf outing, they attached a rainbow magnetic bumper sticker to my truck. I didn't notice it for a few days. I had quite a few people honking or waving as they passed me on the expressway. I just thought people were just being particularly friendly. We all had a great laugh when I finally figured it out.

RAH

	28-05-2002 21:43									#54
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quote: Originally posted by rah At our last golf outing, they attached a rainbow magnetic bumper sticker to my truck. I didn't notice it for a few days. I had quite a few people honking or waving as they passed me on the expressway. I just thought people were just being particularly friendly. We all had a great laugh when I finally figured it out. RAH

	28-05-2002 22:03									#55
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I once went in support of my sister. Unfortunately she was not very supportive for me, since she joint the "lesbian only" part of the column.
It left me among a bunch of very stupid and annoying gays, who were shouting abusive remarks to all 'hetero". I left early and will never do anything like it again. I will not attend a 'demo' if it is not directly related to me.

	28-05-2002 22:05									#56
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Those people that insulted you, germanos, were not emodying the true spirit of Gay Pride.

	28-05-2002 22:12									#57
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quote: Originally posted by germanos I once went in support of my sister. Unfortunately she was not very supportive for me, since she joint the "lesbian only" part of the column. It left me among a bunch of very stupid and annoying gays, who were shouting abusive remarks to all 'hetero". I left early and will never do anything like it again. I will not attend a 'demo' if it is not directly related to me.

How did they know you were hetero? Or anyone else?

I've never seen any such behavior at the NYC parade, but then gain, the crowd tends to have a huge number of straights watching.

	28-05-2002 22:15									#58
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Ive nothing against gays, but gay pride parades seem kind of silly. Even some of my friends who are gay think they are ridiculous. Like celebrating "white pride" or "black pride" its a celebration of being born a certain way. Pointless IMO.

Oh well, have fun anyway...

	28-05-2002 23:25									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Ive nothing against gays, but gay pride parades seem kind of silly. Even some of my friends who are gay think they are ridiculous. Like celebrating "white pride" or "black pride" its a celebration of being born a certain way. Pointless IMO. Oh well, have fun anyway...

Were there not so many people out there who hated gays for how they are born, then such celebrations would indeed by unneccessary. However, there is a consciously pernicious effort to rob anyone gay of their self-esteem and equate them with molestors, murderers and other assorted nefarious people. Until such wide-scale hate and slander ceases, Pride Parades serve an immensely valuable function to the gay community.

	28-05-2002 23:29									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov ...and equate them with molestors, murderers and other assorted nefarious people...

Such as cannibals.

I'm sorry, I know I probably shouldn't bring it up again, but that was just goddamned unbelievable. But that, Cali, is the reason for Gay Pride events.