28-05-2002 13:56									#1
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The so-called random map generator. Pisses me right off with its deliberate and elaborate diversity.
Can't you, guys, come up with something more interesting, say bits and pieces of real world map in a bigger scale??? Or at least few historic compaigns or scenarios should have been included into the game like in the case with Civ2.
The purpose of the game, correct me, if I am wrong is to re-live or re-play the history of this modern humankind, and since the world map hasn't changed much for the last 10.000 or 100.000 years, I don't know why I would wanna re-play our history on totally unrecognizable terrain???
I like this discussion going on in GGS project forum, about spherical map. Unfortunately, I don't understand a word of it!!!

	28-05-2002 14:08									#2
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Your initials are not D.L., are they?

Anyway, there is already a large amount of maps available in the Files-Forum (see the File-Index thread there) or at www.civ3.com. If you are looking for a huge and very accurate real world map, I recommend you Marla's Map, but play it only with a state of the art PC, and be prepared for a monster game, since it is HUGE.

	28-05-2002 14:19									#3
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A computer generated map will always be of lower quality than a well-made human one. That said, the RMG for Civ 3 is a much much better one than was included with Civ 2.

quote: The purpose of the game, correct me, if I am wrong is to re-live or re-play the history of this modern humankind.

Actually, the purpose of the game is to make your own history, with your people.
Reliving history is good too, though.

	28-05-2002 14:27									#4
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I admit the RMG is somewhat flawed, and even if made the best it can be, still won't compare to the work of a human with a decent skill with the map editor, but they should at least be able to spread out the starting locations a bit better.

I get tired of starting games only to have another civ right up next to me right at the start. Some games I started, my capital's borders hugged with another civ's borders. Of course, if I had used the Aztecs it wouldn't be much of a problem, but its just ridiculous that all the civs are concentrated into one area, when there's plenty of land out there for equal distribution. Not as much of a problem on Pangaea and Continent maps, but a damn nuisance on island maps.

	28-05-2002 14:35									#5
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I don't see why people yell at this RMG. It's probably one of the best thing in Civ3, and I was very pleasantly surprised to see the quality of the maps it produced when I started to play.

It's probably not as good as a map made by someone who know his job, but I bet it's much better than a map made by the majority of people. At least, continents look like continents, and have not the strange shape that had the Civ2 RMG.

	28-05-2002 14:41									#6
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As far as I can see, he doesn't want to merely criticize the RMG, but is looking for real world maps. So let him play the numerous world maps in the Files forum, or the Europe map, or even the Antarctica map there. When he gets sick of those, either will be available new maps, or he will gladly return to the more interesting (and IMHO darn good) RMG.

	28-05-2002 15:45									#7
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The only thing I dislike about the RMG is that when I ask for pangea half of the time I end up with two continents.

	28-05-2002 21:45									#8
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My gripe with the civ3 RMG is that it does not make enough islands. Our choices seem to be one huge continent, 2-4 medium continents, or lots of islands. What about two continents and some islands? In a recent game, large map/12 civs, I discovered all the civs, and the northeast section of the map (a huge portion, 20-25%) was still dark. Great! I said, since I have some extra settlers and the first ocean-faring ships, I will be the first one there to claim the land and set up some FP-run colonies. What was there, after 500 years of sailing? Not one bit of land. The whole quarter of the map might as well not have been there. Very disappointing.

	29-05-2002 02:03									#9
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quote: Originally posted by MiloMilo What about two continents and some islands?

I had this in a recent game. Five civ's shared one huge continent, two other civ's shared a medium continent, and I got stuck on a little island full of mountains and plains. I chose random so at first I thought everyone was on a little island. I could only fit three cities on my island so I rushed towards map making so I could settle on some more islands. Once I got a galley I found only one more little island that I could travel to. By about this time some of the other civ's made contact with me and thats when I found out that I was the only one that got stuck on an island.

	29-05-2002 02:46									#10
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I never tried a random map. I always assumed that it would be either pangea or archipelago or something in between, but I didn't think it could be a mixture of these.
I'll try that random setting in my next game.

	29-05-2002 03:01									#11
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It's better than the Civ2 RMG... and that's all I need. I enjoy the challenge of a bad start position, and if it is truly untenable I can just start a new game. No big deal.

	29-05-2002 03:07									#12
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It does not always churn out maps to specification - Pangea seems to get shafted quite often for instnce. But it's still fairly good. Except, perhaps, as already noted - civs sure start close sometimes.

	29-05-2002 04:59									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Your initials are not D.L., are they? Anyway, there is already a large amount of maps available in the Files-Forum (see the File-Index thread there) or at www.civ3.com. If you are looking for a huge and very accurate real world map, I recommend you Marla's Map, but play it only with a state of the art PC, and be prepared for a monster game, since it is HUGE.

Oh, please. They are useless.

With all these maps and mods you have to re-Edit every one if YOU edited the game mod.

Owing to the stupid and non-historical values that Firaxis gave us, the game must be Edited. But we can NOT use any other map with our edited values; they must be re-edited.

This is another MAJOR failing with the game, along with no scenario-building and dozens of other things.

If anyone is interested, a more historical and playable mod is attached. But, again, I can NOT use those values if I downloaded a map from the Firaxis site.

	29-05-2002 07:53									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Your initials are not D.L., are they?

No, sir.

And speaking of these numerous modpacks, map files, x-packs that are always recommended for download, I downloaded once and it didn't work on my computer. May be, because I use pirated version of civ3? And my puter is regular - almost out of date shitty machine

Has anyone tried Trade Empires or Pharaoh? On these there are no Random Map Generators, they are very close to real history. But, civ3 still seems to me to be better than all above, just because of the scale in time, and more interaction with other civs.

But, someone told me not to expect too much of a reality from the games like that. Where was that???

	29-05-2002 07:56									#15
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quote: Originally posted by dervish No, sir. And speaking of these numerous modpacks, map files, x-packs that are always recommended for download, I downloaded once and it didn't work on my computer. May be, because I use pirated version of civ3? And my puter is regular - almost out of date shitty machine Has anyone tried Trade Empires or Pharaoh? On these there are no Random Map Generators, they are very close to real history. But, civ3 still seems to me to be better than all above, just because of the scale in time, and more interaction with other civs. But, someone told me not to expect too much of a reality from the games like that. Where was that???

Games without random map generators IMO lose a lot of replayability. I mean poor Age of Wonders would have been so much cooler if there was someway to randomly generate a map/mission!

	29-05-2002 08:12									#16
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quote: Originally posted by dervish No, sir. And speaking of these numerous modpacks, map files, x-packs that are always recommended for download, I downloaded once and it didn't work on my computer. May be, because I use pirated version of civ3? And my puter is regular - almost out of date shitty machine

Anybody who uses a pirated version of the game has NO RIGHT to ***** about the game. Those of us who paid for it, even Coracle, have the right....you don't.

	29-05-2002 10:02									#17
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Barely on topic here

You mean that the "random' setting actually generates a totally random map??? I thought that it would choose one of the three pre-existing types randomly, then make a map based on whichever one was chosen. Was I wrong?

	29-05-2002 10:20									#18
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And AUA is born.

	29-05-2002 14:48									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Anybody who uses a pirated version of the game has NO RIGHT to ***** about the game. Those of us who paid for it, even Coracle, have the right....you don't.

Well, in Russia and China, you can hardly find licensed copies of this fine original stuff, which costs twice as much as people's monthly salaries here. We buy pirated and hacked ones either by Russkis or Hanskis. If you have an excessive amount of this shining stuff you're wellcome to come here, Mr.Taburetski.

	29-05-2002 16:25									#20
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You can edit the initial spacing of the civs in the editor, btw.

	29-05-2002 16:27									#21
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Yeah, in Russia it's so easy to buy a pirated CD, in most any shop... while finding a licensed piece of soft ain't anywhere easy .

	30-05-2002 00:55									#22
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither And AUA is born.

Please enlighten me: Who or what is AUA? (or where???)

	30-05-2002 08:31									#23
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quote: Originally posted by dervish Well, in Russia and China, you can hardly find licensed copies of this fine original stuff, which costs twice as much as people's monthly salaries here. We buy pirated and hacked ones either by Russkis or Hanskis. If you have an excessive amount of this shining stuff you're wellcome to come here, Mr.Taburetski.

Well, in that case, you are forgiven. When I was in the Persian Gulf, I used to buy a lot of pirated tapes and CD's, but I didn't complain because they were cheap. Now, if they charged as much as a regular CD here then I'd be pissed.

Sorry for the misunderstanding and accept my apologies.

	30-05-2002 08:49									#24
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Sorry, about mispelling your name.

	30-05-2002 08:51									#25
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AUA... another useless acronym. Not entirely useless within the context of this thread, but you know... had to be said

	30-05-2002 08:55									#26
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quote: Originally posted by dervish Sorry, about mispelling your name.

Not a problem!