30-05-2002 01:06									#1
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I think us peasants and workers should have access to the save file. What we could do is have one person who is not allowed to participate in the game have the save file, cheat it, annhilate everything we can't see, turn the parts of the map that we can't see into ocean, uncheat it, and save. This way no one could cheat and explore map etc., and us peasants and workers would be able to get a better idea of what's going on.

	30-05-2002 01:27									#2
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too much work for them. and the end result coul just as easily be represented by a detailed map. you know stuff added onto a screenshot of the actual map to represent where units are at.

(hope that makes sense to you, because I wrote it and I'm having trouble understanding it, but that could just be from lack of sleep in the past few weeks...)

	30-05-2002 01:41									#3
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that's cheating to me. half the fun og the game is exploring. the mystery of where the two missing american cities are makes the game interesting. this proposal is abad idea and i urge our leaders not to stray from our current policy on this!

	30-05-2002 01:44									#4
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No, it's so that we can see the game. The guy who cheats isn't playing; he's just making it so that others can't cheat. He turns everything that we can't see into ocean, so that we won't be able to see past it. This gives us a better idea of how we are doing.

	30-05-2002 01:47									#5
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the save game file shouldn't be shared in any way. I agree with H Tower on that

	30-05-2002 02:10									#6
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No need for the file but a note on where units are positioned and what city improvements are build would be nice.

	30-05-2002 02:11									#7
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More and better maps would be nice though. Don't we have some graphic wiz-kid in our ranks that can produce good ones?

	30-05-2002 03:39									#8
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ok, i understand your idea now. but you'd need to find someone willing to drop out of the game to do that stuff. i think the screen shots are fine/ maybe the VP could be charged with making tons of screen shots

	30-05-2002 04:10									#9
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I thought the idea was for the varrious ministers involved to give the people alll the infomation they needed.
eg. the foriegn minister with the use of his embassies can telll the people how many cities the other civs have and if the are building any wonders , what techs they have and are rescearching.

but perhaps hydey gets it wrong again.

	30-05-2002 04:18									#10
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bah! whoever said communism should be fair. let the ruling classes have the file.

	30-05-2002 04:24									#11
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About the only thing I can think of that I *don't* post a screenshot of is the individual city screens. There are 3 reasons for that. First, there are just too many of them. Second, the city screen is too large for the 600x600 pixel size maximum that Apolyton allows. Third, shrinking the size renders the image virtually unreadable.

	30-05-2002 04:29									#12
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Hydey has it correct. The Ministers are responsible for giving information about their area to the Citizens (mostly through polls), and then making recommendations to the President. As in real life, the Citizens don't have all the information available, and a good Minister is more informative than a poor one. And the President reconciles disagreements in Ministerial advice, sometimes posting about broad issues that involve the whole government.

Besides, Citizens not having the details may be one of the things that encourage people to become Ministers.

	30-05-2002 05:34									#13
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear As in real life, the Citizens don't have all the information available, and a good Minister is more informative than a poor one. And the President reconciles disagreements in Ministerial advice, sometimes posting about broad issues that involve the whole government.

In real life the truth will be leaked to a newspaper. Remember Watergate/Deep Throat and The Washington Post (sorry you are too young )

Let's see a recent save file...what have you got to hide?

There's a dead letterbox in my email

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	30-05-2002 06:48									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits In real life the truth will be leaked to a newspaper. Remember Watergate/Deep Throat and The Washington Post (sorry you are too young )

Are you kidding? I voted in 1968! And I note that we seem to have no newspapers in Civ2...

quote: Let's see a recent save file...what have you got to hide?

Get elected to office. RHIP...

quote: There's a dead letterbox in my email

Don't understand that one, sorry...

	30-05-2002 07:25									#15
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In sum, we seem to have 3 options presented:

1. Let the masses have the game
2. Screw the masses, they get screenshots
3. Have a minister (VP?) be a full time screenshot poster

As for screens that do not fit, someone posting all relevant info could attach a pile of images as a zip file. If you really want all the details, download and look at the 30 images on your pc.

	30-05-2002 09:27									#16
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how big would these images be? i might be able to host them on my website if they were small enough

	30-05-2002 12:07									#17
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Saves for all! Are ministers any more trustworthy than the common comrade? Our leaders are practicing the absurdity of Soviety communism, whereas the Apolytoner people seek a purer form. Saves for all!
I see the problem with cheating, though. Also, would I be able to even look at them, because I use FW, and the game is played on MGE

	30-05-2002 13:30									#18
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Are you kidding? I voted in 1968

Sorry cavebear ... I must get out of the habit of thinking that there aren't more golden oldies around. The reference to the dead letterbox (remember all those spy films where they dropped the secret papers for the KGB to collect them?) was a hope that somebody would email me a save file of the game.

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	30-05-2002 14:32									#19
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If all the people have save files then whats the point of having ministers? and if we all want a copy why not just play by ourselvs? I think more scrren shots and such would help solve this problem, also i think that the history minister should keep a copy of the game saved at different points throught our history. That way when this is all over those who particapated could have a copy and go back and play it , foor fun.

	30-05-2002 17:46									#20
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quote: Originally posted by timmy2tone69 If all the people have save files then whats the point of having ministers? and if we all want a copy why not just play by ourselvs? I think more scrren shots and such would help solve this problem, also i think that the history minister should keep a copy of the game saved at different points throught our history. That way when this is all over those who particapated could have a copy and go back and play it , for fun.

Well stated, t2t69.

This issue has been discussed and resolved previously in this forum. The ppl voted the High Council ministers the right to receive saves so that they could develop better strategies and tactics, resulting in more specific, meaningful polls.

Those with a "need" to see the saves should run for office.

Posting old saves (like one per month) as a part of the history thread is an interesting idea. There is always concern that someone will cheat ahead (exploration, etc) and post spoiler notes, and this is a legitimate concern in an open forum like this.

Is it possible to lock or disable a savegame file?

	30-05-2002 19:06									#21
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As several posts said, there was a poll one or two months ago on the subject : Saved games are mailed to the Cab after every turn played by the President, not to each citizen.
The Hydey idea seems good : the President publish in the traditional link ("our world in xxxx") the main screenshots (as today), and each minister posts the complementary screenshots and reports which may be relevent with his matter and usefull for the decisions to be taken in the week (between the W-E turns).

	30-05-2002 19:14									#22
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit Those with a "need" to see the saves should run for office.

My thoughts exactly...

quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit Is it possible to lock or disable a savegame file?

I don't know about disabling a game, but it is possible to disable cheat mode. That doesn't prevent someone from playing out a game, tho.

	30-05-2002 19:36									#23
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I agee with our historian.