30-05-2002 19:15									#1
	Making the stat nerds case Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Just posted this on Firaxis' comments page:

quote: First of all, great game. I'm 33 years old male, played all 3 generations, doesn't play much else (DO have a life to tend to). Just a few blunt suggestions to upcoming patches/updates: 1. Realize that the average Civ fan is of the anal type, who loves stats and remember batting averages years back. What happened to the very detailed Civ-score sheet from the original Civ and Col games? I bet I'm not the only one who would LOVE to be able to see the complete equation for my Civ-score. 2. And what's with the new Histogram page? Why do I only have access to 3 kinds of comparisons, why does the values in the right hand column not change accordingly and why have you chosen only one kind of graph that while good in some respects, makes it quite hard to follow the progress of most conflicts (those involving nations that aren't neighbors in the graph). It's not a big thing to ask for. From the Demographics page I know that the values are there to extract. Doesn't need to be fancy, just a incremental .csv-file export switch on the .exe-file would do the trick. We - the stat nerds - will make the rest ourselves. 3. It would be soooo great, if the Hall of Fame was reconstructed so that one could open the individual entries and reach that history reel being played at the end of each game as well as the aforementioned detailed Civ-score algorithm. Imagine how it would further raise the replayability value, being able to study the differences in progress among different entries, without having to reload the last savegame, retire and mess up your Hall of Fame with duplicate entries. Kindly Markus

Any comments?

	30-05-2002 19:25									#2
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I agree, particularly on the the histogram and the not "changing accordingly values".

	30-05-2002 19:36									#3
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Very much agreeing to this.

	30-05-2002 20:51									#4
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I agree, except compared to many others, we aren't really that anal.

	30-05-2002 21:36									#5
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Great suggestions. A return of the old battle casualties report from CivII would be nice too.

-Arrian

	30-05-2002 21:52									#6
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You missed one:

button: append stat data as csv type to file.

I shouldn't have to play this game with pieces of paper recording stats I need to play better.

Agree with previous, don't know if this makes us anal, but paying attention to stats does help us become better players as we can document what works and what does not work.

	31-05-2002 05:00									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Great suggestions. A return of the old battle casualties report from CivII would be nice too. -Arrian

Thanks for reminding me.

I think I'll add that to the list of Things I Hate About Civ 3.

Lack of a "battle casualties report" will be number ninety-two!

	31-05-2002 05:02									#8
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it's freaky when you start writing down your hate....

	31-05-2002 05:06									#9
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG it's freaky when you start writing down your hate....

Geez, a Mod spamming a poster. I spammed him for a while but it doesn't do any good.

	31-05-2002 05:08									#10
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that wasnt spam

	31-05-2002 06:38									#11
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YEAH!

My head is stuck so far up my own arse, I can see daylight

Stats Rule OK!
Big Up to the Anal Retentive Crew!

	31-05-2002 06:46									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Destroyer YEAH! My head is stuck so far up my own arse, I can see daylight Stats Rule OK! Big Up to the Anal Retentive Crew!

Amen.


Demographics and stats rule. And I hate numbers.

	31-05-2002 14:10									#13
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Yes, stats and records of 'heroic' deeds are good. It would also be good if CIV 111 would adopt a better scoring system, not based so heavily on land and population. One that considers cultural and scientific achievments.

	31-05-2002 18:40									#14
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Woah! Hold up there, they haven't finished Civ 110 yet!

	31-05-2002 19:18									#15
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I ignore my score. I just like to play and win with my spaceship.

	31-05-2002 22:25									#16
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I want stats, I want them now, I want lots and lots of lovely statistics about every single thing. I was seriously considering making copious notes during the game to record combat scores.

I'd also love to have a bit more on the demographics screen. If I'm number 2 in population, then surely my advisors know who is number one, or perhaps I can't handle the truth

And a big world map with lots of options and information instead of this useless thing in the corner....

-Jam

	01-06-2002 00:53									#17
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Kills for each unit in the field, and an ability to name super units or armies

	02-06-2002 01:27									#18
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quote: Originally posted by War of Art I want stats, I want them now, I want lots and lots of lovely statistics about every single thing. I was seriously considering making copious notes during the game to record combat scores. I'd also love to have a bit more on the demographics screen. If I'm number 2 in population, then surely my advisors know who is number one, or perhaps I can't handle the truth And a big world map with lots of options and information instead of this useless thing in the corner.... -Jam

What a coincidence! Freeciv has had that option for years! (storing various gamestats/demographics for all the civs etc..in a txt file)

P.S
Those logs can get HUGE if you're playing with 24+ civs or more. Everything is recorded!

	09-06-2002 06:05									#19
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quote: Originally posted by War of Art I want stats, I want them now, I want lots and lots of lovely statistics about every single thing. I was seriously considering making copious notes during the game to record combat scores. I'd also love to have a bit more on the demographics screen. If I'm number 2 in population, then surely my advisors know who is number one, or perhaps I can't handle the truth And a big world map with lots of options and information instead of this useless thing in the corner.... -Jam

I would hope that my advisors would know the pecking order, since they know where I am in it. Guess they feel I can't handle it, either. Wish I had the option to string up some of my useless advisors.

I would like for us to know more about the other civs; like you said, if we are no. 2, then tell me who is no. 1, and give me details. You won't, hmmm: hey you Asst. Advisor, you are now Advisor, your first job, hang the old Advisor. Maybe I watched that one episode in Star Wars too much?

	09-06-2002 07:05									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse I agree, except compared to many others, we aren't really that anal.

ohh yes you are

	09-06-2002 18:33									#21
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I agree, but Firaxis obviously doesn't seem to have that attention to detail that made the other games so great.

	09-06-2002 19:16									#22
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I disagree, only so I don't have to be called anal.

	09-06-2002 20:36									#23
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quote: Originally posted by alva848 ohh yes you are

I have to say; all things being considered, taking everything into consideration, considering the whole picture, being considerate of the complete facts: we could be far more anal than we are currently.

	10-06-2002 01:36									#24
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Civ3 really took a step backward in this area (and I'm a considerable fan overall).

We want more stats about all civs during the game and in the Highest Scores window. And we want it displayed more effectively. Line graphs make it easier to compare Civs at various points of the game.

More anal than average