02-06-2002 03:59									#151
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If you havent read it I recommend this:

The Culai Heritage (samlingsvolym, storpocket, 882 sidor, Meisha Merlin Pub, USA, art.nr: 20109) Pris: 271:- Samlingsvolym med romanerna Magician's Law, Demon's Law och Death's Law.

Great (damn) now I know theres a third book, "Deaths Law" and I have to find it by the original English publishers.

	02-06-2002 05:16									#152
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One that no one has mentioned. I don't think its the best but its good and a classic fantasy with no bleeding efete elves or stoic dwarves or feminized dragons or mincing unicorns.

The Circus of Dr. Lao Charles Finney

	02-06-2002 07:02									#153
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Its been a while since I read any The King of Elflands Daughter by Lord Dunsany but I remember it as kind of slow and without the vision of Eddison. My memory may be faulty on this one, but there must have been a reason why I didnt buy more .

Lovecraft loved this guy and a lot of his relatively early stuff (White Ship etc.) is supposedly heavily influenced by Dunsany so I'll have to check him out eventually...

	02-06-2002 07:35									#154
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Did anyone mention The Cronicles of Narnia by C.S. Lewis? Kid-stuff of course, but it is the greatest there is.

No need to say of course that this contest is for the second place only, right?

Tolkien Rules!

	02-06-2002 07:39									#155
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C.S. Lewis is too religious for me.

	02-06-2002 08:08									#156
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me too.... c.s. lewis came across as religious pap to me.

however, i must say that as a kid i found the first (can't remember the name) and the third ("the horse and his boy") very enjoyable.

	02-06-2002 08:12									#157
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Go to the Christian Inspiration section of any bookstore and you should see at least 6 of his books.

	02-06-2002 10:10									#158
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here's what i've read:
"glory season" by david brin
"faeries" edited by isaac asimov

	02-06-2002 10:50									#159
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quote: Originally posted by devilmunchkin here's what i've read: "glory season" by david brin

Thats not fantasy. He did write a borderline fantasy The Practice Effect maybe thats what you are thinking of.

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	02-06-2002 18:30									#161
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C.S. Lewis has the most patronising writing style I've ever come across. If I ever see another of his ****ing little comments in brackets I'm going to cry.

	02-06-2002 18:44									#162
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Lewis really really irritates me too all the way throughout the Narnia Chronicles (because they knew it would be very very silly to shut oneself in a wardrobe...), but his Screwtape Letters is very good.

Anyway, if no-one's read any Mercedes Lackey I suggest you go out and buy Magic's Pawn and The Black Swan this second. Those and Thief of Time by Pratchett.

	02-06-2002 18:51									#163
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quote: Originally posted by SMAC Fanatic Anyway, if no-one's read any Mercedes Lackey I suggest you go out and buy Magic's Pawn and The Black Swan this second. Those and Thief of Time by Pratchett.

Does she have any books with men in them? The ones I read the males were either married and unavailable to the female lead, a vampire, or gay. Even the Elves were fairies. I could not tolerate the main character in the bard novel I dragged myself through. I might have been able to handle him being gay but acting like Roy Cohn was intolerable. Then gay elves showed up.

Even Mr. Fun might have problems with that creep of a protagonist.

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For all you people complaining about CS Lewis' christianity, Tolkien's almost as bad in this regard since although you've got a overlay of Celtic/Norse mythology the core worldview is really extremally Christian (Sauron = Satan etc. etc.). This isn't that bad in and of itself but Tolkien's moral manichaenism (say that five times fast ) really infected a lot of other authors so you have heaps and heaps of "kid from farm saves the world from Dark Lord" kind of plots which get very annoying very fast, while in earlier fantasy you'd get a lot more moral complexity and no sorting of virtually every single character in "good guys" and "bad guys."

	02-06-2002 19:59									#165
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I know JRR's negative contributions, heck he inspired CS Lewis to write. At least everything in his books is subtle while Lewis is so blatant you can't ignore it.

	02-06-2002 20:11									#166
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quote: Originally posted by Zhu Yuanzhang For all you people complaining about CS Lewis' christianity, Tolkien's almost as bad in this regard since although you've got a overlay of Celtic/Norse mythology the core worldview is really extremally Christian (Sauron = Satan etc. etc.).

Sauron = evil which does not have to entail a christian viewpoint.

However if you want to see a very different kind of world written from the same source materials and at the same time as Tolkien (therefor uninfluenced by by him) try The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson. Its pretty bleak and the elves are not the sweetness and light they are in the LOTR. Amoral and scheming in Poul Anderson's books. Speaking of Anderson and his elves.

Very good fun fantasy novel by Poul Anderson not mentioned yet.

Three Hearts and Three Lions

Now that one does have some christianity due to taking characters from the Charlamagne cycle of myth. Its not preachy though its just part of the world setting. The Broken Sword is much more pre-christian Norse myth.