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Wernazuma III

Emperor

Decolonize!
Aug 2000
time: 06:12

21-05-2001 01:20

The Greek special unit

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As other people have already said, the Hoplites will probably be the greek special unit. A hoplite was simply the warrior within the phalanx, having the big round shield and the lance. Hoplite style warriors existed in many other cultures too (the 3rd line of the roman legion for example), but the phalanx of the Macedons was the really unique greek unit.
So please FIRAXIS, consider to make the phalanx the unique unit and rename the "normal" unit to something else.

Bereta_Eder

Prince

Oct 2000
time: 07:12

21-05-2001 01:43

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quote:

Originally posted by Wernazuma III on 05-20-2001 04:20 PM
As other people have already said, the Hoplites will probably be the greek special unit. A hoplite was simply the warrior within the phalanx, having the big round shield and the lance. Hoplite style warriors existed in many other cultures too (the 3rd line of the roman legion for example), but the phalanx of the Macedons was the really unique greek unit.
So please FIRAXIS, consider to make the phalanx the unique unit and rename the "normal" unit to something else.

But the «Phalanges» (Phalanx) were actually just the name of the formation of the men that held the Round Shields and the Long Lances. It's just that macedonian Phalanx were the best Greece had because of the order of the formation that Alexander The Great invented.

So in that sence Hoplites and Phalanx should be the same thing.

BeBro

King

of the Krauts
Mar 2000
time: 06:12

21-05-2001 01:48

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Hm, I wouldn´t call the Phalanx a unit, it is more a formation. Also the early Roman armies used a Phalanx-like formation. The unique element of the Macedonian phalanx was that the first lines carried Sarissas, very long lances.

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Bereta_Eder

Prince

Oct 2000
time: 07:12

21-05-2001 02:10

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But not all armies had only Shields and Lances. Those that had were indeed called Phalanx so it can be a unit INMHO.

Lawrence of Arabia

King

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Apr 2001
time: 06:12

21-05-2001 05:03

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Hoplite= a formation of greek soldiers. This box was 16 ppl by 16 ppl and they had 16 foot lances. Phalanx: phalanx is a formation. A phalanx of soldiers. The Romans never used Hoplites. They used Legionnaires.

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Bereta_Eder

Prince

Oct 2000
time: 07:12

21-05-2001 05:16

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quote:

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia on 05-20-2001 08:03 PM
Hoplite= a formation of greek soldiers. This box was 16 ppl by 16 ppl and they had 16 foot lances. Phalanx: phalanx is a formation. A phalanx of soldiers. The Romans never used Hoplites. They used Legionnaires.

Wrong. Hoplites=man at arms. Phalanx= formation of men carrying lances and shields.

Legionaries=men that were a part of a legion.

AzNtoccata

Chieftain

San Diego, CA
Jan 2001
time: 21:12

21-05-2001 07:24

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Everyone must be so correct..you want to have units so general in name that they include spearman, swordsmand and special units phalanx and legion? hm?

Youngsun

Prince

Darwin,NT,Australia
Jan 2000
time: 05:12

21-05-2001 08:27

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Phalangists(a man + a small round shiled + a very long spear(Sarrisa:3m~4m))are the mainstay of the Macedonian Phalanx formation.

Other Greek phalanx were comprised of hoplites(a man + a big round shield(hopolon)+ a thrusting spear + a sword)

P.S. Lances are the spears used by mounted troops. e.g. lancer.

*Other infantry pole arms*
Javeline:Used by natives, for throwing only, flexible and light.
Pilum: Used by Roman leionnarires, for throwing only.
Pelta:Used by Greek mercenany skirmishers(Peltast), for throwing only.
Spear: Generally used by everyone, for both throwing and thrusting.
Long spear: For thrusting only.
Sarissa: Used by Macedonian, Thrusting only, Very heavy thus both hands needed to use.
Pike: Used by Europeans(many variants sush as Halberd,etc), For thrusting, slashing and cutting, heavy thus both hands needed to use.

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Chieftain

Apr 2001
time: 05:12

21-05-2001 08:42

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Each civ should also have different swords because not all swords were the same. Firaxis will probably implement this with the Samurai sword for Japanese swordsmen, but there are others, like the broadsword - does anyone know what civ used the broadsword?