17-05-2001 01:31									#31
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Oh, I noticed the latest preview makes a refference to "lesser civilization". I am not sure, though, whether this refers merely to another, less powerful civilization or the so called "minor civ". I would assume the former is the case.

	17-05-2001 03:24									#32
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This is great news!!!

At least there is still hope!!!

	17-05-2001 05:53									#33
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Phew! I sure hope we get more than 7 or 8 civs! 7 or 8, is just pathetic!, whatever happened to minor civs. I want to have about 10 major civs and 90 minor civs. If this is to much of a problem in gameplay, then it should be possible to start out with AI generated alliances.

Once again, 7 or 8 civs not guarrantied
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	17-05-2001 10:59									#34
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phew! it's not set in stone, yet. at least that is good news!

	17-05-2001 15:14									#36
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And then yin what would be the exact point of having military units if there was no one there to attack you?

I suppose it depends on how they have designed the engine; perhaps they have left it open to be able to implement more civs. But I would certainly like to see more than 8 sides in the game; 16 would be nice...(15 + barbarians)

	18-05-2001 14:19									#39
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I het the impression that Firaxis is setting up for no more than 16 civs (8 major, 8 minor) in a normal game, since they probably aren't doing the facial animations for more than that.
No biggee, that. I was starting to think those facial animation things are about as exciting as the civ2 heralds ( the only multimedia perk from civ2 I ALWAYS turn off).
But I hope that it isn't a hardwired thing, and that scenario makers will be able to include a lot of civs if they wish. with or without custom designed faces to animate.

BUT, until Firaxis comes out and says something, we won't know for sure. kind of like the 2020 - 2400 endgame date.

	18-05-2001 22:32									#41
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HAHAHAH!

I just love it.

1)Firaxis doesn't know how many Civs they'll have in one game.
2)In prototype for previewers has 7 (or 8).
3)Previewers report 7 (or 8) Civs.
4)Some Apolytoners (you know who you are) go nuts.
5)Firaxis reports that it doesn't know how many Civs they'll have in one game.
6)Apolytoners claim success for getting Firaxis to change their minds.

ROFLOL!

	18-05-2001 22:53									#42
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Imran really puts it in perspecitive... you guys really should wait for the word from Firaxis. After all, there is no use worrying over nothing!

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	18-05-2001 22:58									#43
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I agree, we can debate all we want, but most concepts were decided months ago by Firaxis and are just being balanced now, they just haven't announced things yet, to keep our interest high.

I like debating on the topics, but I think at this point in the game development, most of our debates can come to nothing because too much work has been put into the game engine to change things too dramatically. For that reason, any debate that doesn't involve the most definitely necessary inclusion of The King, Elvis, in Civ3 is not worth getting into strong arguements over

	19-05-2001 04:02									#45
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Lets stay off the Elvis debate, that is happening in another thread!!! This thread is for debating on more than 7 civs!!!

	20-05-2001 09:41									#46
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Imran: Your continued belief in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy is quite inspiring. And thanks for sharing that last piece of mental masturbation with the rest of us.

If you actually READ Mike's post, you'll see he refers only to the "official announcement" of how many civs "may or may not be in the game". Interpreting THAT as "Firaxis doesn't know how many" is quite a stretch, even for you.

What intrigues those of us who are capable of independent thought, is this:

1) The "number of simultaneous civs" has been constant throughout the Civ series.
2) All the Civ3 reviewers have walked away from their previews believing that nothing has changed in that regard.
3) There was a mini-firestorm at Apolyton over the apparent continuation of this limit.
4) The only official comment from Firaxis (in the midst of the civ-limit uproar) is that "we haven't made a formal announcement on this yet".

So if some of us thought that was a bit suspicious, well exxxccccuuuuuuse meeeeee!!

	19-05-2001 23:21									#47
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Sorry Kull if I can think for myself and don't always go with peer pressure. Independent thinking is needed for success, but I wouldn't expect you to know that.

quote: If you actually READ Mike's post, you'll see he refers only to the "official announcement" of how many civs "may or may not be in the game". Interpreting THAT as "Firaxis doesn't know how many" is quite a stretch, even for you.

Actually it means basically the exact same thing. There is no announcement for how many civs may or may not be in the game means that they DON'T KNOW! This is very easy, but I guess easy inferences isn't your cup of tea?

quote: 1) The "number of simultaneous civs" has been constant throughout the Civ series. 2) All the Civ3 reviewers have walked away from their previews believing that nothing has changed in that regard.

And also Civ3 is 50% done. Can you say jumping the gun? A bit premature? Although I guess you (and your significant other, by that I mean your hand) already know the meaning of premature.

If you want to run around yelling and jumping up and down like five year old children, no skin off my back, but don't think I'll stand for it.

	20-05-2001 00:40									#48
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Nice try Imran, but thinking is the one element which is clearly missing from all your posts. Taunting? Flaming? Ridicule? All present and accounted for. But rational thought? Sorry, just echoing silence in that arena. You've shown some evidence of maturity in the past year, but I guess old habits are hard to break.

	21-05-2001 09:32									#52
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Grumble, grumble.....losing really long posts is right near the top of my "most aggravating events" list. The synopsis:

1) Apology to Imraan. I don't care for the tone you've displayed in EVERY post on this topic, but rolling in the gutter just gets both people dirty.

2) Imraan: Read Mike Breitkreutz' post again. Do you see the words "we don't know how many civs there will be" in there anywhere? No you don't. Which means you're guilty of exactly the same behaviour you've ridiculed in others, i.e. drawing your own non-fact-based opinions from a VERY limited set of sources.

3) Purpose of this Topic: "Tea Leaf Reading". None of us REALLY know what Firaxis is going to do (or has already done but is unwilling to own up to) with respect to "number of simultaneous civs". There are precious few facts on this subject, so it leaves a wide latitude for interpretation. The possibility that Firaxis "doesn't know" is just as valid as "Sid's dog ate the development paper containing that data".

	27-05-2001 04:20									#55
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I'm not sure I'll buy Civ 3 if it had only 7-8 civs per game.

To me increasing the number of civs per game is the single most important improvement.

	27-05-2001 05:25									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Dr.Oogkloot I'm not sure I'll buy Civ 3 if it had only 7-8 civs per game. To me increasing the number of civs per game is the single most important improvement.

Even if they do release it with 7-8 civs I am still going to buy it, just because it has so many other good things to it!!!

But it would make it a PLUS if they do include more than 7 civs!!!

	27-05-2001 05:30									#57
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The game would just have so much more depth with more civs. Hope the make it possible.

	27-05-2001 05:54									#58
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quote: Originally posted by manofthehour The game would just have so much more depth with more civs. Hope the make it possible.

Thats what we all hope!!!