16-05-2001 07:25									#1
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Since that thread was so long, and my message would probably never get reached and read, I decided to make this new thread.

I would like to know just one question. How do you know only seven civs will be availably per game?

	16-05-2001 07:29									#2
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That would be VERY disappointing. We Alpha Cenautri people have had to deal with this!!

7 only= game will be lonely.

	16-05-2001 07:58									#3
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We have heard two numbers, 7 and 8. 7 means you + 6 + barbarian which = 8. The 8 means you + 7 + barbarian which = 9. I just went back and started a Civ 2 game to be sure. 7 Civs + Barbarian = 8 total.
We'll know when Firaxis tell us for sure.
The Mods people would of course like 8 Civs + Barbarian so they can play with the numbers. If they go with 8 that would be fine by me, however if they go with 7 there is not much I can do about it.
In CTP 2 they went with 9 Civs, (I just open my game to count them)You + 7 Civs + Barbarian.

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	16-05-2001 09:25									#4
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My question more in detail, is who started the idea that there will only be 7 (8) civs in civ3, and where did they get the idea.

I find no foundation of that proclomation. It says nothing about that in the website, and Dan nor anyone else has posted a thread on that here at apolotyn, so I'm just wondering where he got that idea.

	16-05-2001 15:00									#8
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It makes me very happy, as probably the rest of us that the answer is: 'We are still working on this'.

There is still HOPE.

	16-05-2001 17:22									#9
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This is the possibly the best news I have heard about the game. It certainly gives me a lot of hope. (Sorry for all the smilies - I just could not resist)

	16-05-2001 17:33									#11
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Roman, may I suggest, after you chill your enthusiasm, you'll edit your "pages of smiles" post?
I understand you after the first row, 50+ are more than enough also to a "dumb retard" as I am, according to a nice poster out there.

Thank you for your effort (if you'll reduce that "yellow whale" post, of course).

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	16-05-2001 17:35									#12
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I just noticed the Behemonth thread was locked. Thanks, MarkG, I think this was timely - some people even noticed a preformance decrease on the site because of it. Moreover, with the newfound hope - the thread may no longer be neccessary. (And if it is - we can continue posting here )

	16-05-2001 17:45									#13
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I have just had a terrible thought. What if the Firaxis quote is refering to the no. of selectable civs rather than the no. of civs per game. I hope that is not the case.

	16-05-2001 18:06									#17
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Basically any Firaxian who posts anything of relevance to the game gets to be in CoFwhtFPtiANI... We know you all want to...

	16-05-2001 18:39									#18
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As long as Firaxis don't make an official statement the guys here who want more than 7 civs should be happy right? nice ploy by firaxis to control our small revolution

	16-05-2001 19:24									#20
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It certainly keeps us speculating about the real number. Now assuming 7/8 are red herrings can it be more than the number of unique civs they give us initially? Would reviewers be stupid enough to report a number if that was not the maximum available on the Alpha build they got to preview?

	16-05-2001 19:44									#21
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I think it's pretty clear what Mike is referring to:

1) Firaxis HAS announced that there will be 16 selectable civs.

2) Firaxis has NOT said how many can appear simultaneously in one game.

Frankly I'm surprised that such a fundamental issue is still open to adjustment at this late date. I suspect that Firaxis DID intend to stick with the "standard 8", and has been influenced by the vociferous objection to that limit. Whether it can be changed at this stage of development is an open question, but it sounds like they're taking another look.

	16-05-2001 20:08									#22
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Playing with all 16 at once would make me a very happy little boy.

/Guarded optimism mode ON

Joe

	16-05-2001 20:12									#24
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Well guys,
As you can all see, Firaxis has made NO statement concerning the number of civs. Now we can all relax, or at least, take a breath.

	16-05-2001 22:23									#26
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I must say it is good news that the number of civs in one game has not been set in stone. OTOH I am troubled by the statement that "FIRAXIS has made no official announcement" on the matter, since we have seen statements
in three reviews saying 7 or 8 civs max. In my mind that calls into question all other information in those reviews. If the reviewer
just pulled the 7 or 8 civs out of the air, what else did they say
that is unreliable?
I hope that the answer is that FIRAXIS originally told the reviewer
it would be 7 civs max and are now reconsidering (as suggested by KULL). I also hope that
making such a major change this late in the game doesn't screw the whole thing up. I'd prefer a quality game with only 7 civs than a
pieced-together game with more civs.

	16-05-2001 23:58									#27
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I must say, we must really be civ3 news junkies, if the announcement of what amounts to "no comment" makes a piece of news we all jump on.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going back to theorizing whether a colony collects tile resources or just specials.


ANNOUNCEMENT: Firaxis has not said whether enemy troops can block access to a resource by standing on the road or resource itself. Print immediately!

	17-05-2001 00:25									#28
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I would assume from the 'no comment' post that while the number of civs won't decrease (obviously), they have likely allowed for more civs, but must test the effects on program stability and computational time. By the end of the game especially, the effect of an additional civ on computational time can be huge. I'll bet the final number is yet to be decided, but it won't be much more than in Civ 2.