02-06-2002 15:28									#1
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I could hardly believe it. I already knew the AI could sometimes be a tech addict, but I didn't thought it could pay so much for one tech.



In the same manner I got a total of about 1100 gpt by selling fission during the same turn. I'm rich!!!!

	02-06-2002 16:53									#2
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I've had similar offers from the AI (although not that high). This only happens late in the game, when you offer a tech that nobody else has yet and is a key tech for winning the game.

The offer is tempting, but you should also consider whether you want to take the risk that the AI might be able to e.g. build the UN before you do....

	02-06-2002 18:04									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Lucilla The offer is tempting, but you should also consider whether you want to take the risk that the AI might be able to e.g. build the UN before you do....

Of course! But I already started building the UN one or two turns ago, while nobody was building another wonder, and before that I accumulated shields building a battleship!

	02-06-2002 21:18									#4
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what level are you playing on?

I got the chinese to pay 167 gold per turn for atomic theory!
and their treasury contained 0 gold at the time
I guess they sold off their military & improvements like crazy
As for modern techs - I keep ALL to myself (playing on warlord for the time being)
I get sweet deals on old techs - and sell off as much as possible - to provide more of a challenge in the end game. It's not much fun if the AI is not able to compete with you in tech
->I know this will not be a problem when I climb up to regent and monarch though :/

	02-06-2002 21:46									#5
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what version of the game are you playing? the older versions had an ai exploit where you could as for 999999999999999999999999 gold per turn and they gave it to you.

	02-06-2002 21:47									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Paalikles what level are you playing on?

Regent.

	02-06-2002 21:57									#7
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX what version of the game are you playing?

1.21f

	03-06-2002 00:18									#8
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Just a quick question: it looks like the modern age, but why is Hammurabi still in ancient age garb?

	03-06-2002 00:35									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Bautou Just a quick question: it looks like the modern age, but why is Hammurabi still in ancient age garb?

I do not know how it should be, but for me the faces only change within the diplomacy/trade advisor.

	03-06-2002 03:36									#10
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Looks about right, thats around 10k for a tech, and on a big map (huge?). I had to pay 5k per tech in modern era just to keep up with space race in my last game, and it was on stantard map. The larger the map is more science (or money) needed per tech.
But whats odd is that they can actually afford 500 per turn, in my games ai keeps tax at minumum

	03-06-2002 04:29									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Nym I could hardly believe it. I already knew the AI could sometimes be a tech addict, but I didn't thought it could pay so much for one tech. [. . . .] In the same manner I got a total of about 1100 gpt by selling fission during the same turn. I'm rich!!!!

So the big question - did Hammurabi honor the deal, or did you find yourself at war a few turns later?

	03-06-2002 07:32									#12
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I'd go to war. But that's just me.

	04-06-2002 00:09									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Catt So the big question - did Hammurabi honor the deal, or did you find yourself at war a few turns later?

Yes he did.
Of course there is some risk, but as I play quite diplomatically, there is no problem. But I won't do that in an MP game (wouldn't you Theseus? )

	04-06-2002 00:17									#14
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Wait a second... I had to read your last post twice... he honored that deal??

-Arrian

	04-06-2002 00:20									#15
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I wouldn't have taken the deal unless he paid 1480 lump sum and 450 per turn. That way you at least empty his cash on hand prior to him screwing you over.

	04-06-2002 00:25									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Wait a second... I had to read your last post twice... he honored that deal?? -Arrian

Yes he did. Maybe because I am playing at Regent level...

	04-06-2002 01:00									#17
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Nym, I try to play very diplomatically myself as I'm never certain I'll get the UN, and I don't like to use the well-known exploits to make a vote go my way.

I've just never been able to get a deal that large myself -- simply amazing. And it doesn't "surprise" me that he honored the deal, just as it wouldn't "surprise" me if he didn't honor it -- I've seen it go both ways myself. But I have seen a tendency for the AI to not honor deals such as the one you struck - after all, he got Fission, and you've got what has to be a fairly onerous a turn-based deal. You were aware of the risk, and the deal worked. Great job (and interesting story)!

Now, if you were playing Theseus at MP . . .

	04-06-2002 01:40									#18
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Well the Techs value is 11.200 Gold so 10.400 + a Luxury is really a good offer of Hammurabi!

	04-06-2002 02:11									#19
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quote: Originally posted by AIL Well the Techs value is 11.200 Gold so 10.400 + a Luxury is really a good offer of Hammurabi!

That's why I think it is exceptionnal and it will probably not work as good as it did. Between 100 and 300 gpt for a tech during modern era is more common.

	06-08-2002 15:29									#20
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how do you know or work out the tech's value in gold?

	06-08-2002 15:42									#21
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That's a good question. How did you?

	06-08-2002 22:09									#22
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quote: Originally posted by =DrJambo= how do you know or work out the tech's value in gold?

I suppose it's related to the number of beakers needed and the difficulty level, but I do not know more.